Digital Paint Discussion Board
Fairness Enforcement => Cheater Reports and Bans => Topic started by: jitspoe on February 10, 2008, 10:21:10 PM
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Bummer, but there's not really any tolerance around here when it comes to distributing cheats (http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=10990.0).
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Sad to see this ban.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMenB9Ywh2Q
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1900 posts wasted on the forum :-/ Sad indeed
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Why he get 1000 days?
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Im really not sure :/ Did the Committee make the desicion?
* Waits for Garret to post something way off topic*
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Yes the committee did make the decision.
I to am really not sure why I have 1000. I told jitspoe about this at the end of December. So it takes 2 months for me to be banned and then I don't even get a reduction in ban time for coming clean. Kind of confusing and unfair to me. But oh well.
Edit: On a side note why are there so many hardware IDs on my ban. I only play from one computer.
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I vote for.......64 days :D
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The ban stays, what he did was basically the equivalent of what madman and darkness did. You had cheats, and decided to distribute them.
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Come on KiLo, what a waste man.
And I bet you sent them to people who don't know how to use them, or have no use for them anyways!
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Wow, one of the people i least expected of hacking in paintball. :(
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Well after all of the people you accused of hacking, you were the last person who I would have thought was actually GIVING them to people... Ohhh the irony.
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Accusations are typical from offenders
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Well first off I was right about most of the people I accused.
Second off I only gave them to one person who never even used them.
And third off I never even used them (although everyone will say that is a lie).
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I think its safe to assume someone going through the trouble of helping someone find/use an undetectable hack is a good enough reason suspect they will put forth less effort to use them.
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Kilo never used them. I know that for a fact.
But being banned is like the new black now.
I wonder who's next!
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The ban stays, what he did was basically the equivalent of what madman and darkness did. You had cheats, and decided to distribute them.
You guys didn't even take into consideration that I told jitspoe that I was the one who put it up on the site. I have talked to Olbaid about it and I am hoping he is going to bring it up in the committee forum.
Next I would like to know why you female doged moaned and complained when a StarZ play was caught with textures that were blatantly modified and I never seen a ban for this person.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa85/mjet214/bdog.jpg)
Tell me you never seen that.
Edit: Nice try Spook
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o0o0o0o.. and the plot thickens.
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LOL what a sick cheat, Looks like that would help with game play. NOT or maybe maybe someone made that in 2 seconds and is putting the blame on others !!! This is simple logic? its not a hard one to figure out.
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here it is straight from the source.
[12:33:03] - [+DaRkNeSS|] http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o162/Spookyman15/bdog.jpg
[12:33:06] - [+DaRkNeSS|] spooks photobucket
still simple logic?
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odd picture?
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good cover up spook. some committee we have.
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The thing is, that picture was only given to the committee, and someone gave it out. Great committee we have huh? FAIL
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lets try this again.
(http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/2783/spooksphotobucketno9.jpg)
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Hm pretty meddling corrupt committee we have there.
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Pretty funny you're trying to get more people banned because you made a mistake. That screenshot came from my computer, just with "supposed" modified textures.
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I would have posted that had I found out about before I got banned. And you are trying to tell me that those barrels aren't modified.
And I accept what I did. I just think 1024 is to harsh like most of the people that have heard about my ban.
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They dont look half-bad except the tops of the barrels...
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If you want to, make a new post for hacking and get the committee, namely Spook to take a look at it and vote.
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* Waits for Garret to post something way off topic*
And your point for an off topic flame?
Wow, one of the people i least expected of hacking in paintball. :(
He didn't have or use these hacks. He got caught giving them out.
I think that this is a little harsh because he did admit to being the person who was distributing them.
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That picture from Spooks photo bucket is actually what WaRWuLF was trying to get bdog and Muff banned for. Them are not spooks textures. He just took the picture from Warwulf and saved it to his photo stuff
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http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=7053.0
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I will pay 1 cent for everyday that I am banned.
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10 and you are off :D
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Hey, could someone explain to me what is wrong with the screenshots? I don't really know anything about how modified content cheats work, but I thought they were meant to convey some sort of advantage to the user like being able to see in dark areas or something. What is the advantage from using the textures in the screenshot exactly?
and on topic, I think its a shame KiLo has such a long ban, how exactly was this number come to? It seems a little odd to put him in the same bracket as Darkness who was associated with ZGH and now this. How did the committee come to this decision exactly? surely he deserves a much more lenient ban, especially as he brought it to Jitspoes attention in the first place (for a legal precedent see The People vs sk89q, if my memory serves).
bad times.
- Dagless
edit: it just occurred to me that while they might not be an advantage on PP, they may well on another map played on that client. I'm an idiot.
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Well Doc evidently the committee hates me because the vote was 7 for 1024 and 1 for 128 and this is even after jitspoe quoted me from PMs with him where I admitted to him that I had shared this with someone.
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telling the truth never works unfortunatley
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telling the truth never works unfortunatley
Wrong.
What I will tell you is that the committee and the community as a whole are getting pretty tired of all the bs going around lately.
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I agree with Foxhound considering it didn't help me at all. From what I have seen a lot of this bs might be true.
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Wrong.
What I will tell you is that the committee and the community as a whole are getting pretty tired of all the bs going around lately.
Agreed, usually hacking would just get banned from any other game, 32 or 64 days is just a nonsense slap on the wrist
(sorry Kilo - not directed at just you)
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[12:18] <olbaid> jitspoe bans carcoal for 32 days for hacking
[12:18] <olbaid> yet kilo gets 1024 for uploading a hack
[12:18] <olbaid> and not using it
[12:18] <olbaid> pathetic
just thought id share for him, it seems like this is everyone's oppinion except the committees
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I understand Justin. I think 1024 is harsh. I think 256 at the least. But I believe 512 would also be fair.
Edit: In that post by Foxhound it doesn't mention that carcoal was teaching i.e. sharing a cheat with newbie/Darkness as y00tz has previously said somewhere on this forum.
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sorry... geeze
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Not your fault just stating known facts.
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[12:18] <olbaid> jitspoe bans carcoal for 32 days for hacking
[12:18] <olbaid> yet kilo gets 1024 for uploading a hack
[12:18] <olbaid> and not using it
[12:18] <olbaid> pathetic
just thought id share for him, it seems like this is everyone's oppinion except the committees
Olbaid is on the committee.
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Well first off I was right about most of the people I accused.
Second off I only gave them to one person who never even used them.
And third off I never even used them (although everyone will say that is a lie).
Don't lie about the one download..
http://zilla-clan.net/upload/images/84956_hack_pack.jpg
That not counting my download either.
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I don't think KiLo had intentions of mass-distributing a cheat, but it was pretty foolish to upload it to a file sharing site where anybody could download it. He also tried to pass it off as a kid down the street with the same ISP at first.
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Well when exactly was that sshot taken? Because I know once you posted about it a few people went and downloaded it. Also I never said there was only 1 download, I said I gave the link to one person.
@jitspoe: True I did. BUT THEN I CAME OUT AND TOLD YOU ABOUT IT.
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That picture from Spooks photo bucket is actually what WaRWuLF was trying to get bdog and Muff banned for. Them are not spooks textures. He just took the picture from Warwulf and saved it to his photo stuff
actually im not trying to get bdog banned. im trying to get muff banned
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cmon...
its just a game, give him a 32days ban
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cmon...
its just a game, give him a 32days ban
You're right, it is just a game....
A FREE game......
Why does ANYONE have to cheat at it.
If this was CS or any other Main Stream Games, these guys would be banend for life no questions asked.
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Except you could buy the game again for $15 and keep playing.
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Except you could buy the game again for $15 and keep playing.
Most, if not all, main stream games use PunkBuster. Once you are banned on PunkBuster, you are banned. Period. From all games that use it. Even if you go out and buy the game again, you are still banned.
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If you get banned in Counter-Strike or any other Steam game, all you have to do is buy Counter-Strike again (Which is $10-20 depending on which version you buy) and you can play again.
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after all the hard times he gave me about hackin once when i was a noob he gets banned for hax....Irony
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i agree with the ban and kilo dont cry about admitting because i believe i read somewhere from jitspoe that if you confess for aim and walls it wont shorten your ban its only double accounts that it helps with because this game is supposed to be hack proof so if you admitted to it there would be no point cause jitspoe would already have it on log. and sharing cheats is worse than using them because if you use them that is 1 person if you upload them to people thats more than 1 person hacking.
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Ok, so just to clear this up a little:
1024 days - given out to tons of people, and they're basically treated as if they're Zaltekk.
64 days - one-on-one sharing.
Also, what was in the hack pack? Was it something he made himself, or something that he got from another source and uploaded? I think that should be taken into account in the future. Oooh, and the blackmail potential for this is through the roof. ;)
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Most, if not all, main stream games use PunkBuster. Once you are banned on PunkBuster, you are banned. Period. From all games that use it. Even if you go out and buy the game again, you are still banned.
Global Hardware ban bans all of the serial numbers on your hardware and there are no ways around it. If only the hardware bans we have now were as efficient.
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after all the hard times he gave me about hackin once when i was a noob he gets banned for hax....Irony
Let's see you did get banned so hush.
Ok, so just to clear this up a little:
1024 days - given out to tons of people, and they're basically treated as if they're Zaltekk.
64 days - one-on-one sharing.
Also, what was in the hack pack? Was it something he made himself, or something that he got from another source and uploaded? I think that should be taken into account in the future. Oooh, and the blackmail potential for this is through the roof. ;)
Something I got from another source.
Why does ANYONE have to cheat at it.
I never actually cheated at it.
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Most, if not all, main stream games use PunkBuster. Once you are banned on PunkBuster, you are banned. Period. From all games that use it. Even if you go out and buy the game again, you are still banned.
Wrong, New ip and maybe a spoof'd MAC. You're free from pb.
Actually i think you can spoof almost all of serials on your computer....
All I see going on is KiLo being punished for being a good person and helping someone out. :p
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well one person hax and gets 32 or 64 days. kilo shares hacks and gets banned for almost 3 YEARS! ITS WRONG IN MY EYES! Kilo helped my clan start out by helping me with an irc channel (thx to flame as well) Kilo is a good guy i dont think the committe should have banned him for almost 3 years. its wrong. just plain wrong
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I love how everyone thinks this is way to harsh yet the committee is to meddling retarded notice their own mistake.
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I love how everyone thinks this is way to harsh yet the committee is to meddling retarded notice their own mistake.
most committees are
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sadly i would have to agree with kilo on the ban time. thats way to long for what he did.
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sadly i would have to agree with kilo on the ban time. thats way to long for what he did. and on a side note. when is muff being banned?
Thank you. And nice on the last question there.
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KiLo is awesome and all... but i gotta come out and say it..
PWNED..
im sorry.. the ban time is wayy wayy to long.. i agree with kilo.. the most should be around 500 days.. c'mon!
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no it should be at the most 64
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well the only reason i see 64 is because he didnt use them.. but hes the only one saying he didnt.
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You can ask jitspoe if I did considering everything in that pack is detected.
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i beleive you.. its just not everybody does.
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1024 is way way WAY too muc hfor just sharing a couple of detectable hax that he didnt even use
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1024 is way way WAY too muc hfor just sharing a couple of detectable hax that he didnt even use
No, it's not. Distributing hacks is considerably worse than using them. It's really a shame we're losing kilo, but that's what you get for dealing with hacks and such. It's not acceptable.
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still it wuz a detectable hack and if the ppl downloaded it they probably didnt know how to use it
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I look at myself as more of a crime fighter. If people really want to hack then give them the hacks and let them get banned. We don't need them anyway.
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I look at myself as more of a crime fighter. If people really want to hack then give them the hacks and let them get banned. We don't need them anyway.
EXACTLY!!
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I look at myself as more of a crime fighter. If people really want to hack then give them the hacks and let them get banned. We don't need them anyway.
Quoted For Truth!!!
I think that 1024 days is way to long, 2.8 years for a a pack of hacks that if people used, they would be banned anyways. I can see why the committee would make a ban for 1024 days, but he never used any of them, and if anybody downloaded the pack, and used it, they would be banned anyways. 1024 days is just too long for something that is kind of like a mouse trap for people with an incentive to hack.
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That is exactly how it is. Come on committee half of the community is wanting this ban lifted why dont you do anything about it
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I don't even want the ban lifted. I understand that I did something wrong and I am willing to accept a ban. Just not one that is overly ridiculous like this one.
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The ban should be no more then 64 days. Seeing he didn't use them. and i think a majority of the downloads was b/c some1 posted on the forums about it being their, Which helped advertise it.
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The ban should be no more then 64 days. Seeing he didn't use them. and i think a majority of the downloads was b/c some1 posted on the forums about it being their, Which helped advertise it.
exactly true. 2 years is way too much considering he didnt use them
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exactly true. 2 years is way too much considering he didnt use them
Please stop saying exactly im sick of it :/ U have said it in your last 3 posts......I pretty sure we get the point now....Anywayz ill try and edit my post with something intresting give me a sec..
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ok rick lay off me ok im F@#$ing tired so i cant think of stuff right now and besides im a teenager. most of us arent very original
I really dont wanna flame you and get banned from the forums. Just dont get the point of posting without new facts "i cant think of stuff right" why did you post then???
Back on topic: I thought these hacks were taken off of zilla....once they were found. Must be mistaken.
Edit: im a teenager too......
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Back on topic: I thought these hacks were taken off of zilla....once they were found. Must be mistaken.
They were.
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I have talked to Smokey about this and told him what I know. And that is that I am still questioning whether or not they were immediately removed only because when I seen the thread I went and downloaded it from zilla-clan right then.
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= Well it seems to me there is a problem here.
= We have a 1024 day ban.. Ouch =(
= Just to let everyone know. No matter what you say this isn't a democracy. They could have it written somewhere that a ban for this could only be 100 days. Then they could give Kilo a 1024 day ban and guess what, There is nothing you can do about it.
= Every single person in this comunnity could say drop the ban, but it won't happen. Because this community has leaders and those leaders make the decision. When that decision is made it is final.
= I agree the length of time that this ban is set forth is long. Too long to bother playing the game again if you ask me.
= But Kilo did do something wrong. He knew it was wrong. He even confessed, but it had been to late. He had already made the mistake.
= If you murder someone and then confess about it. What happens to you?
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= If you murder someone and then confess about it. What happens to you?
Get a lawyer to prove that confession was coerced, you weren't read your rights, and the cops didn't follow protocol, thus making the confession a mute point.
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Look at Y2J, thinks he's going to law school or something. Oh yeah...
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Please, anyone who watches law and order knows that.
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If you murder someone and then confess about it. What happens to you?
In Mexico, you get to cross the border, but only if you promise to come back and help their viva la fiesta army.
(http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/m/mx%5Eca.jpg)
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stop crying, kilo asked for it... if your going to hack/make hacks/upload hacks, its not your decision to make what the ban time is. now shutup and take it like a man. if your going to complain about your ban than you shouldn't have done it in the first place. theres bans for a reason meaning hacks have no place in paintball so if your that dumb to break the rules dont complain about the punishment. i agree with the ban keep it 1024 days he deserves it. committee may not always make the right decision but they did here great job boys. keep the bans comming.
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Major you have no clue what you are even talking about. Now go back to your corner.
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stop crying, kilo asked for it... if your going to hack/make hacks/upload hacks, its not your decision to make what the ban time is. now shutup and take it like a man. if your going to complain about your ban than you shouldn't have done it in the first place. theres bans for a reason meaning hacks have no place in paintball so if your that dumb to break the rules dont complain about the punishment. i agree with the ban keep it 1024 days he deserves it. committee may not always make the right decision but they did here great job boys. keep the bans comming.
wow, that's like really deep/unnecessary/mean. Im pretty sure everybody knows that kilo isn't trying to get out of the ban due to what he did, but still as every body in this thread keeps saying, 1024 days is to long for sharing a cheat that someone is going to get caught if they used them anyways. I have faith in the committee, but 2 years for a hack that he didn't use/people will get banned if they used them anyway is to much just for being banned. I would agree with the ban if he actually used the hacks, but he didn't and came clean. I just hope people will make the right decision in the future for the sake of this game.
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Someone explain to me how it's been proven that KiLo didnt use the exploit/hack.
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Did I show up on jitspoe's cheat detection?
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i think the point that people who used the cheat kilo gave them would have gotten banned which in turn, would have made the game a better place to have fun without those wannabe hackers. Kilo did not use them so therefor he wouldn't have gotten banned ( that is... if the no giving out hacks rule was not in effect)
That rule has a way to long of a punishment. He didn't use them, only noobs did, who ultimatley get banned at the end any way. All due respect but, If the committee feels strongly about punishing people who give out hacks, i believe that 3 years is ridiculously long. punishing a person who gave out hacks to a dumb person but didnt use them himself shouldn't be a 1000 day ban. Let those dumb@$$3$ use them i say, and get their @$$3$ get banned.
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However, i also see how that in darkness and madmans case, making a cheat and giving that out is a worse crime than giving out a detectable one. i dont know if kilo's was detectable from the start nor do i know if kilo had made it himself. i can see how these two conflicts are closely related so i can see how the punishment can be 1000 days ( sorry kilo )
But maybe there is a distinction between the two?
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Did Darkness and Madman show up? Is that even relevant? Your ban has nothing to do with the use of hacks, asking that question was really stupid of me. I apologize
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This is what is included in the .zip.
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa85/mjet214/Hacks.jpg)
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looks like more distribution to me
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Yeah with ZGH Penix and a speedhack all detectable. As well as those model hacks too. And I have heard from multiple people that the OGC aimbot is a complete joke. And the texture hack to my understanding is unbanable considering that the screenshot from Spook's photobucket did not warrant a ban.
You may as well give painke a 1024 day ban as well because he is the one that made a lot of the excrement in that pack and I can prove it to.
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since theres no proof of that screenshot coming from spooks client... stop arguing?
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Not saying it did. I am saying it did however come from a member of the StaRz clan and it was somehow leaked from the committee and the person was never banned.
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well until its proven where it came from which is seemingly impossible, id say dont worry about the ss
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Proof vs. no proof, sucks doesn't it?
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Did Darkness and Madman show up? Is that even relevant? Your ban has nothing to do with the use of hacks, asking that question was really stupid of me. I apologize - ch4os
1st dude... wtf? totally confused by that one
2nd his ban has everything to do with the use of hacks and the madman+darkness' case has relevant issues sooo... idk what ur trying to get at
3rd if it was a dumb questionwhy did you hit the post button?
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wow, that's like really deep/unnecessary/mean. Im pretty sure everybody knows that kilo isn't trying to get out of the ban due to what he did, but still as every body in this thread keeps saying, 1024 days is to long for sharing a cheat that someone is going to get caught if they used them anyways. I have faith in the committee, but 2 years for a hack that he didn't use/people will get banned if they used them anyway is to much just for being banned. I would agree with the ban if he actually used the hacks, but he didn't and came clean. I just hope people will make the right decision in the future for the sake of this game.
did you seriously just write that... if he isn't trying to get out of his ban than why is everyone complaining. also are you saying he should get less time because he didnt hack he only uploaded the hacks to a site where everyone in dp can get them. i believe helping 100 people get hacks and cheat is worse than just one person hacking. you see Zaltekk's ban for 3000 days? thats how long all these people should get, madman darkness and kilo
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well one person hax and gets 32 or 64 days. kilo shares hacks and gets banned for almost 3 YEARS! ITS WRONG IN MY EYES!
I agree. Give them ALL 1,000 day bans if they have anything to do with hacks.
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Wrong.
What I will tell you is that the committee and the community as a whole are getting pretty tired of all the bs going around lately.
Glad to hear it. I hope the committee will save itself a lot of trouble and revise their policy for hackers. Hacking of any kind should give a 1,000 day ban.
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Well your wrong m7 basically this game needs a committee that doesn't actually know anyone therefore it would be more fair.
Secondly don't double post nooblet. ;D
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Well your wrong m7 basically this game needs a committee that doesn't actually know anyone therefore it would be more fair.
Secondly don't double post nooblet. ;D
There is no rule that anyone has ever pointed me to about double posting. I have asked more than once when folks bring it up. I prefer to deal with one quote at a time so that folks can easily see when I am speaking to them.
Now you say I am wrong but don't say why. You only say that we need a committee that doesn't know anyone to promote fairness. Yet my idea creates fairness without a new committee. Anyone who hacks or distributes gets a perma ban or a 1k day ban. That eliminates playing favorites, lengthy deliberations, hand-wringing, etc.
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hello everyone! lovely discussion, isn't it? how have you all been lately? ;D
my opinion: meh ... i dunno.
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The community voted on the committee, so GJ guys =]
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even though he posted the cheats on a website where anyone can download them the cheats are detectable. so if anyone downloaded and used them they would be caught. whats so bad about exposing cheaters?
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can't you ban this guy ^ for more? like, perma ban on forum...
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can't you ban this guy ^ for more? like, perma ban on forum...
Seriously. this forum was made so ppl cqan talk about dp. im talking about it and trying to get a guy that was really nice to me to have a smaller ban and ppl want me banned.
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The community voted on the committee, so GJ guys =]
The Forum community voted on the committee. My guess would be that that accounts for about 1/4 of the "community" Just an observation... Pay me no mind...
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even though he posted the cheats on a website where anyone can download them the cheats are detectable. so if anyone downloaded and used them they would be caught. whats so bad about exposing cheaters?
And what if they weren't?
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ppl have said that the cheats were detectable
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Does it really matter if they're detectable or not? They're still cheats, and still are not allowed. You all agreed to the EULA when you installed this game, and you all knew the consequences. Stop trying to get out of bans and/or bring other people down with you.
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thank you for mentioning the EULA - i meant to but forgot.
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This whole subject should just be dropped. Whining and crying isn't going to reduce the ban.
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+1 to spook
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http://wateva.uberskilled.com/fstz/index.php?site=polls&pollID=2
Thats all I have to say.....
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Lol. Everytime i go there the poll ending time has shortened. Supposed to be about 16 days left 2day and dropped all the way to 4. Lol. Wonder how its gonna end..... I think i know :)
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by that poll most ppl think the ban should be shortened
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Well its ended now. And yes, most ppl do think it should be shorted. That being 54.54 %. More than half. I'm wondering who did the 21.21 % for longer.....