Digital Paint Discussion Board
Fairness Enforcement => Cheater Reports and Bans => Topic started by: jitspoe on May 19, 2008, 11:10:36 PM
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Name used: Alaric
IP: 88.108.87.100 = 88-108-87-100.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com
ID matching IP: 58552 KaySL
Cheat: ZGH Multihack.
Global banned.
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Ok, without meaning to come off as too confrontational, this is complete BS. I have not, never have and never will, used any form of cheat program. I have two family members who also play DP, but I'm offended that one or both of us should have to pay for the other's crap. Please, the last thing I need is a month-long ban for something I have absolutely no knowledge of doing, i.e cheating in this otherwise great game. :(
I've read the FAQ regarding family members, etc. but I really appeal to you to reverse this unfair ban, Jitspoe...
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Sorry, but it won't happen. Go and tell your family member that they're a cheating wankstain. Also, pipex/tiscali is excrement, get a better ISP.
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lol I agree about Tiscali being complete excrement, and as for whoever did the cheating, I'm going to beat the living crap out of them.
Is there really no precedent to have this reversed, though?? I can't believe I'm banned for a whole month, even though there are plenty of reputable players that can vouch for me. btw, is it actually known for certain whether this was actually done through the computer I own or whether I've by some freak chance inherited the IP address of another player?
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It won't be reversed.
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I see. I find the inflexibility - and lack of address to my previous question - unfortunate and disturbing, to say the least; I am still quite a beginner, but thanks anyway for your time. Hopefully I'll be back in a month, if my smart mouth doesn't earn me a deserved ban... :-\
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The problem is, practically every person who cheats always has a brother or friend who did it. If I removed the ban every time somebody said that, nobody would get banned. Part of the reason first offense bans are only 32 days is because of situations where multiple people share a computer or internet connection. It could be possible that you inherited the cheater's ip by a freak chance. I'll have to review the logs again.
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Of course, I completely understand that, and am fully prepared to take the ban. I'm sorry if I sounded rude and/or confrontational, as I said, I was just pissed off. Thanks for your help, though. :)
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I've by some freak chance inherited the IP address of another player?
Nope. There's only 1 IP address. Also, why does the IP only match your name? I do believe you that maybe your brother/family member did it, but shouldn't they have a DP login account?!
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Name used: Alaric
IP: 88.108.87.100 = 88-108-87-100.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com
ID matching IP: 58552 KaySL
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yes, but why does the ip only match kaysl, and not his supposed family members?
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same pc = same ip
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yeah, so if it's the same IP, then won't the family members' ID come up as well as the IP (and get done for multiple accounts :\)
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yes
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So why hasn't it?
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IF you would do your own search, you would noticed that Alaric does not have a gls, hense, when Jits did an IP cross check against the GLS it only came back with KaySL's IP address.
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I'd like to point out that regardless of what DPLogin account is being used, if you're using the same connection in the same house to your ISP, your IP address will still be the same.
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I'd like to point out that regardless of what DPLogin account is being used, if you're using the same connection in the same house to your ISP, your IP address will still be the same.
I know! That's what I was saying. (this has already been answered) So if your family members were cheating with their own DP Login from the same IP, then why didn't their DP Login account flash up on the cheat thing?
Just to clarify, that question was answered in KnacK's post.
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:-\ Oops, sorry for repeating the point. As for my brother, he doesn't have his own account to the best of my knowledge. I have automatic login enabled, which would probably explain his use of my account.
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With ZGH you can't login, it's build 16.
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Then perhaps he isn't as much of an amateur as I thought. Still, the hardware hash of the computer is associated with my account anyway.
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tsk tsk kay thats bad o well i still dont think taht you would hack i believe that it was a family member but ehh hope to see you when ban is over it was always fun playing with you
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Aw, thanks, Ryex. Happy to see you cared enough to register in the forums just to say so ;D
Hope to see you in the game soon.
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whoh so much emotion makes me upset.
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Staggeringly beautiful, ain't it? ;D I'm almost weeping blood here.
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Hate to ban you again right after your last ban expired, but it looks like you've been using a modified client executable.
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You've got to be kidding? I use Linux, I changed the build number to 666 for a laugh, recompiled the source, voila. I guess my opensource enthusiasm took me over. Where exactly is it stated that that's against the rules???
Seriously, 60 days for a completely innocent violation of a rule I've never seen? I'm really beginning to hate this community. I see countless speedhackers, racists and just plain idiots online every time I play, and far as I see, they're just ignored by whoever enforces the bans while people like me take inconceivable amounts of flak for _this_?
As an afterthought, shouldn't there be a built-in warning that appears when you run a modified binary of PB?
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1. Its in the agreement when you creat eyour GLS
2. Its in the EULA.
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Really? Closest thing I can find in what I assume to be the End User License Agreement (the text files named 'license', as well as 'paintball2agreement' is this:
"By installing and using Paintball2, you agree not
to use any cheats or modify the game content in order to gain an
unfair advantage while playing against human opponents."
First, it's not a cheat, second, it doesn't give me an advantage by any stretch of the imagination. (Not unless people think I'm Satan and can't bring themselves to shoot at me :D)
And let's face it, even WERE it explicitly stated, who reads the license agreements anyway? I had - obviously wrongly - assumed that since Jitspoe had kindly licensed the game under the terms of the GNU Public License that this sort of corporate shafting attitude would be nonexistant.
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There should have been a modified content warning, unless your compiled executable ended up being exactly the same size as the original.
The problem is, there's no way to tell the difference between a modification that just a little tinker and one that's a full blown blatant cheat. It's very easy to create cheats with open sourced code, and the code is required to be open sourced by the GPL, so to keep things simple, we just don't allow any modified clients.
This is what is shown during the install:
DO NOT CHEAT
Plain and simple. By installing, using, or owning a copy of Paintball2, you agree not to use any cheats or modify the game executable or content in order to gain an unfair advantage while playing against human opponents. Doing so will result in banishment from public servers, disqualification from competitions, and/or legal prosecution. Digital Paint reserves the right to scan your computer for modified game content and known cheat utilities during the operation of Paintball2. While the GPL grants the ability to freely modify the game engine, use of unofficial or modified engines on public servers will likely result in a ban. This is necessary to keep the game fair and cheat-free. You are responsible for other players on your computer and/or network. We will not lift a ban simply because somebody else was cheating on your connection. Digital Paint also reserves the right to generate and store unique identifiers using components of your computer's hardware. This is done using irreversible hashing algorithms. No direct data about your hardware is transferred or stored. This is necessary to hardware-based bans to keep evasive cheaters off of the servers.
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lol kay its ok but now ur banned for 2 months o well im banned i used zgh for a total of 5 minutes and got banned lol lets find another game
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Nah I'm pretty sure you'll come back in 32 days.
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Jitspoe:
The binary couldn't possibly have been exactly the same size, and yet I didn't get a warning. The extra few bytes (666) in the version define would have made sure it was larger. But fine, I guess I have little choice but to wait the ban out... again, despite gaining no material benefit by changing the build number. It's almost unfathomable why you refuse to let a stupid little thing like this slide, but whatever, I guess.
P.S. What if a person compiled the source with higher or lower level optimizations on the compiler level? Would they be singled out, too? Also, if you'd like, I could send you my PB binary and you could see for yourself that there's only a few byte difference between it and a vanilla compile.
Magalhaes:
It'd be nice, but the ban's for 60 days, unless a little leniency - and perhaps common sense - is exercised.
Ryex:
Not that I agree with your use of the ZGH Multihack, at least you came clean about it, if only after the actual ban :D. If you've got any games that can be played on Linux, then sure, I'll play with you. Been too long.
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I was talking to ryex.
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ya i know its like 14 now though but after i see all the stupid bans out there i think this game needs a beter magement system so therefore i shall most likely move on to another game. And kay i just cant seem to stop growing lol.
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/me wants to be the first to wish you bubye ;D
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I'll review your case with the committee.
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I'll review your case with the committee.
If that was directed towards me, then thanks, Jits. (There _is_ a committee, right?)
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Committee voted to keep the ban. Sorry if it was just an innocent change, but even just changing the build number causes problems. It's not just in there for looks. The server uses it to validate clients, know which features are available, etc.
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Disappointing, but fair's fair, I guess. Thanks for giving me a chance anyway.