Digital Paint Discussion Board
Fairness Enforcement => Cheater Reports and Bans => Topic started by: Santader on February 25, 2009, 09:17:12 AM
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here is next guy with two active accounts
Player ID: 75243
Names registered: youtube, sine, neuros, smallzy, artime, aveiros, incoming, gunited
Former Clans: Nesmrtelni, root and broos, HarD RealitY, eXtreme (redbull) fighters, only Czech, Simulanti, White Power, rangers, Fatall of Colour, ExtremeGemping New Era, eXtreme (redbull) fighters team B, foxier esports team
Player ID: 92170
Names registered: aveiro, digitix, geniuz, smallzer, airtime, powers, connerez, thesmallzer
Active Clan: eXtreme (redbull) fighters
Former Clans: El^Matadors, foxier esports team
Website: http://www.av3iro-pb2.cz.tl
ICQ Number: 413632149
Forum Name: AveiRo
Real Name: Ladislav
Location: Czech Republic
Biography:
My best clans: eX
Foxier
Mat&
:-*
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(Committee: http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=16314)
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http://dplogin.com/index.php?action=viewmember&playerid=75243
http://dplogin.com/index.php?action=viewmember&playerid=92170
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Good job on cathing all those (also referring to your other recent threads), let's wait and see how long the commitee will need... ;)
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http://dplogin.com/index.php?action=viewmember&playerid=82644
This was also my account. But now it`s account my friend. ;)
And on aveiros I dont know password.
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Is there a committee thread for this? Normally jitspoe/Jusu/Cameron comes in with a link for Committee members about the discussion..
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Is there a committee thread for this? Normally jitspoe/Jusu/Cameron comes in with a link for Committee members about the discussion..
yes there is a discussion
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PLZ BANNED ME NOW! meddling PB!!! ........... PLZ BAN ME!!
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Can you ban me now Jitspoe?
http://dplogin.com/index.php?action=viewmember&playerid=75243
http://dplogin.com/index.php?action=viewmember&playerid=92170
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Commitee: http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=16314.0
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Merging these threads.
Ban added.
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why is multi acounts bad again? as long as the person isnt banned on one of the accounts, why is it bad to have multiple?
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just read the general conditions
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Ban added for cheating/modding.
IP's:
88.83.173.187 = gw2-vyh-kap-nat3.inetpckb.cz
92.62.224.10 = nat-10.starnet.cz
DPLogin ID: 92170
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General reminder:
The cheat detection does tell Jitspoe exactly what hacks/cheats/modifications have been used. Jitspoe decided not to share this info, so the banned players have to come clean about their mistakes to get their bantime cut.
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General reminder:
The cheat detection does tell Jitspoe exactly what hacks/cheats/modifications have been used. Jitspoe decided not to share this info, so the banned players have to come clean about their mistakes to get their bantime cut.
^ not entirely. The purpose isn't to help them lower their bantime, it's to find out more.
The cheat detection tells jitspoe what was used, but he the reason he doesn't share this info is for the person to come clean about EVERYTHING they used. If a person has multiple hacks used, Jitspoe may of only caught one of them. So when the person comes clean, they do not know which of the hacks if not all have been detected. This way he can get the truth about everything a player used, if they do want a shorter ban. So he only tells them if they admit, and if they deny it and refuse to admit he'll say what they used which means they can no longer lower their ban time.
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^ not entirely. The purpose isn't to help them lower their bantime, it's to find out more.
The cheat detection tells jitspoe what was used, but he the reason he doesn't share this info is for the person to come clean about EVERYTHING they used. If a person has multiple hacks used, Jitspoe may of only caught one of them. So when the person comes clean, they do not know which of the hacks if not all have been detected. This way he can get the truth about everything a player used, if they do want a shorter ban. So he only tells them if they admit, and if they deny it and refuse to admit he'll say what they used which means they can no longer lower their ban time.
This.
Now, if you don't have any information pertaining directly to this case, stop posting in this thread.
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hacks? u think my texture mix pack?
np, this game still s**k. :)
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lol he played 24/7.. and than he noticed that his mod / cheat is detectable.. and now this game suck? wtf Zimt would say .. Fkn twelvie :D
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Ban time added for 2nd offense multiple accounts:
Profile for aveiro ||Player ID: 92170
Names registered: aveiro, noblexor, teamex, creatine, avi
Active Clan: Free[Z]ed Team
Former Clans: Nesmrtelni, root and broos, HarD RealitY, only Czech, Simulanti, White Power, rangers, Fatall of Colour, ExtremeGemping New Era, El^Matadors, NobleXity Beta, foxier esports team , foxier esports team , Overpowered, New Era, InFernaL CoRp, Czech Team, Inmortal Gaming, NobleXity Beta, NARCISM, punk, What The ____?, Kicking ugly children, Bara a Zbyna, Team RE4L, Teplakova Souprava, .cReative., #team_wait, NobleXity
Real Name: Ladislav
Age: 14
Location: Czech Republic
Forum Name: Aveiro
ICQ Number: 413632149
Biography:
CUPS
1st place
- QeHs 3v3 Single Elim (June 10)
- Infantic 3vs3 cup (March 11)
- CSPGP 1vs1 jumps
2nd place
- QeHs 2vs2 PGP (February 10)
3rd place
- QeHs 3v3 Group CTF (June 10)
- QeHs 3v3 Speed (November 09)
- NobleXity 3vs3 Cup (April 11)
Profile for CHR1z ||Player ID: 155738
Names registered: chr1z, nooblucker, panna
Active Clan: Rockz Gaming
Former Clans: Cista Elite Team , NobleXity Beta
Also for logging into Sniky's account.
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256 day ban for using textures that give an unfair advantage, 4th offense ban (1 previous cheat and 2 multis).
.iNte. vs #sPec# | 2:0
5.8.2013
Map1
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4443/39v9.jpg
Map2
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/7300/qod3.jpg
.iNte. vs [ThC] | 2:0
5.8.2013
Map1
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1144/y6fr.jpg
Map2
http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/8513/0t45.jpg
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Good job. I think textures = skill. I still dont think, people will use your horrible looking textures. :)
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Well, your textures dont look nice and it could be little advantage. But anyway, i didnt come here cause of that. It is silly, that one of really active and pretty good players is banned, iam sure it will more affect matchscene than if you were not banned.
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Thats Bullexcrement! Why would you ban him? How can we know what textures we can use? yes, you are saying use the offical one but honestly ,almost everyone hate them and dont want them.
well, good job for that, euro scence will be dead now
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most active european clan lost best member. Go on with ur bans and mby next year is no one left in this game. gj!!
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As I am speaking for all from .iNte., we are refusing to play anymore, because we do not see any point of continuing in this game since the creator of the game is banning best players in the game only because they make their game visually nice. If you think the textures are inappropriate, you should message him before you ban him. From your behavior we deduce you want to grief the matchscene, so we do not want to see how Digital Paint : Paintball 2 is dying under your hands.
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definitely
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lol i got banned for the same textures once.. and people were flaming that they were unfair..
so in my opinion this ban is pretty legit :D so far <3
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u had white ground, which were used to get an advantage. he used other textures to make the game look better.
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If you think the textures are inappropriate, you should message him before you ban him.
He has been banned for the exact same reason before. I don't see how he should be warned more than that.
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LOL
Please unban him. Matching scene started to be interesting again.
Really, nobody of us cares about texture. Ban him for that when official pack is released, but please not for such a stupid reason!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
edit: jitspoe, if you are smart you dont ban him for that! Man be a little bit tolerant please!! Please!!!!!!!!!!1
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He has been banned for the exact same reason before. I don't see how he should be warned more than that.
well
"so we do not want to see how Digital Paint : Paintball 2 is dying under your hands."
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He has been banned for the exact same reason before. I don't see how he should be warned more than that.
He has been banned for multiaccount, and i can see in banlist - Aveiro, Chr1z, youtube/averios (92170)
Reason: Multiple accounts, Cheat/mod detected
So he has been banned for multiaccount, he did his waiting and he is banned for multiaccounts again what is this bull**** he can not delete those accounts and you ban him for it again?
Well i think here is something wrong guys.
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np, this game still s**k. :)
I guess his opinion is clear enough, isn't it? :)
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I guess his opinion is clear enough, isn't it? :)
2 years old quote. Good job. Some people changed Lege.
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He has been banned for multiaccount, and i can see in banlist - Aveiro, Chr1z, youtube/averios (92170)
Reason: Multiple accounts, Cheat/mod detected
So he has been banned for multiaccount, he did his waiting and he is banned for multiaccounts again what is this bull**** he can not delete those accounts and you ban him for it again?
Well i think here is something wrong guys.
He obviously has difficulties learning from his mistakes. You posted he's been banned for modified content, why do you imply it's only been for multi accounting?
Also, why do you accuse me or a group of people I'm a part of (by saying "you") of banning Aveiro for this texture stuff? If this would have been discussed within the committee he'd probably by banned by next year. True story.
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Everybody with non-official textures should be banned. Good start. Just use the official ones and stop attacking people who keep the rules.
BTW: Really less people who post here wrote something in the official hr4 thread and suggested better textures.
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I think you just do not realize what you are doing right now but keep on going and noone will play this game anymore.
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Everybody with non-official textures should be banned. Good start. Just use the official ones and stop attacking people who keep the rules.
BTW: Really less people who post here wrote something in the official hr4 thread and suggested better textures.
maybe this one?
http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=26066.0
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Everybody with non-official textures should be banned. Good start. Just use the official ones and stop attacking people who keep the rules.
I think you dont like this game anymore, or you just dont like losing. If Jitspoe should ban everyone with non-official textures this game would be dead. Half of players dont use them. Many players wrote me today and said that official textures looks bad, so they use different too. Ask people which pack they like more, if for example Sunman's or Official hr4, 90% will like sunmans more. But it's just my opinion.
If these textures are unfair so why can everyone change them for another? Nevermind, let's see how matchscene will continue.
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Some people changed Lege.
4th offense ban
ok.
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ok.
2 bans for multi, ok.
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As I am speaking for all from .iNte., we are refusing to play anymore, because we do not see any point of continuing in this game since the creator of the game is banning best players in the game only because they make their game visually nice. If you think the textures are inappropriate, you should message him before you ban him. From your behavior we deduce you want to grief the matchscene, so we do not want to see how Digital Paint : Paintball 2 is dying under your hands.
same for us
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Just make the mappack official and i agree with this ban. But dont do it like that.
All people, writing here that this ban is good, are just sitting on irc or on that forum. Please shut up.
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Jitspoe should just make it so you cant edit your texture folders... would solve every problem on this subject.
I once used the Selda pack and didn't know it wasn't legal. Once I found out I returned to the old ones.
In all honesty I think 256 was a bit on the harsh side. The only thing that sucks is that he got in trouble for this before, I honestly think something around a 32-64 day ban would of been more appropriate.
I'm not taking either side, Yes I agree some small ban should of been implied but 256 to me is just a bit harsh for changing textures, make it so you cant edit them.
It does give you a small advantage to see better but you still need to know how to aim.
Changing texture bans should be the same as multiple accounts with the smaller bans. Wallhacks and Aimbots should have tougher bans then textures.
Personally I'd like to see this reduced to 64 days (At most). He is a skilled player and the match scene is back around with multiple people coming back this week including myself.
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he should make it like quake live
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pick sunmans texture pack as the official one and there will be much less sentences like: game sux bcuz of the graphics- problem solved.
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pick sunmans texture pack as the official one and there will be much less sentences like: game sux bcuz of the graphics- problem solved.
There are a lot of packs, which are visual better than official, not only Sunmans. I played with official textures since I got unban, but when I started playing a lot again, I asked some people to send me their texutures.
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http://youtu.be/OyshZpO_W28
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Honestly, this is a very silly ban.
Yeah, I'm 100% aware these textures have been noted as illegal, and people using them should get banned. The light barrels were noted as this.
So whats the problem?
There has NEVER been an official post saying these textures are illegal. In fact, many people use those barrels still. The only people who know are those who are regulars on forums (cause it's been said in a few threads) - or those who have msg'd Jitspoe about it. But, there has NEVER been any official post about it. He should have gotten a MSG saying: "If you continue using those barrel textures, you will be banned" -- Not just a ban as there's no OFFICIAL texture pack, and theres no OFFICIAL statement that these textures are bannable.
You can say textures that give an advantage are bannable - but in my opinion those baby coloured barrels don't give an advantage in the slightest. When everyone was using them, I always had the rusty barrels as I found them to give the most advantage while looking nicest.
TL;DR - Until there's an official texture pack or official list of bannable textures there should not be texture bans unless it is BLATANT BEYOND ARGUMENT. This is one of the more stupid bans I have seen. Shouldn't be a ban, wasting time that could have been better spent when a simple PM warning would suffice.
BUT GREAT STORY LINE - Those who don't actively follow forums to see little posts of: "you should change your barrels" - are screwed over because Jitspoe rather ban them then making a list of textures that are known to be bannable - or finishing his texture pack.
EDIT: The Ladder thread - him not wanting to use your textures doesn't mean he wouldn't change them to another legal pack. Not many people in the community like Jitspoes textures - and until he makes them OFFICIAL, there's no incentive to use them when better packs are around.
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I think you dont like this game anymore, or you just dont like losing. If Jitspoe should ban everyone with non-official textures this game would be dead. Half of players dont use them. Many players wrote me today and said that official textures looks bad, so they use different too. Ask people which pack they like more, if for example Sunman's or Official hr4, 90% will like sunmans more. But it's just my opinion.
If these textures are unfair so why can everyone change them for another? Nevermind, let's see how matchscene will continue.
When others take this as a warning this game won't be dead and a bit more fair too, but ok. I support the idea of making the texture files unwritable.
Thanks for the movie, it shows how bright the other textures are and that they give you a big advantage.
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^^ I'm sure jitspoe will warn people who aren't aware/ don't follow the forums regularly.
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1144/y6fr.jpg
How many times does he have to say those barrels aren't legal? lol..
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^^ I'm sure jitspoe will warn people who aren't aware/ don't follow the forums regularly.
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/1144/y6fr.jpg
How many times does he have to say those barrels aren't legal? lol..
So you have to watch every ban, every posti and go trough comments to finally find that jistpoe somewhere said they are illegal?
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How many times does he have to say those barrels aren't legal? lol..
Actually, I never asked if these barrels are legal or not. So how should i know that? I didnt find any list of ilegal textures
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When others take this as a warning this game won't be dead and a bit more fair too, but ok. I support the idea of making the texture files unwritable.
Thanks for the movie, it shows how bright the other textures are and that they give you a big advantage.
if you would use the bright textures you would be obviously the best player in this game. ur skill + the big advantage... just unstoppable
r u dumb? do you rly think this textures give a big advantage? this game depends 99% on skill imo, not on textures.
What about players which r not reading the forum, how can they know which textures they are allowed to use and which not?
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So you have to watch every ban, every posti and go trough comments to finally find that jistpoe somewhere said they are illegal?
I think the point is, you know they aren't legal, jitspoe knew that you knew.
However, I agree that there is a lack of guidance as to what textures are allowed and what textures are not, but surely you can see what gives an advantage! Nevertheless jitspoe needs to make a 'rules' page of some sort.
I don't think 256 days is reasonable at all. All that needs to happen is for avi to change his textures and a little 16 day ban just to make it clear that these textures are not allowed.
I personally as a mapper find the custom textures very ugly, brick for rock, plain white for rust... really. I understand personal preference and all that but I think the mapping committee should decide what textures are allowed etc. Chef-killer terrorist etc know what textures fit to the exact style as the official ones, then approve packs that are made if they meet the standard.
No packs should be then allowed until approved by a member of the mapping committee.
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Actually, I never asked if these barrels are legal or not. So how should i know that? I didnt find any list of ilegal textures
Next time try to have a civil discussion when someone tells you the textures aren't legal rather than, " IM NOT USING YOUR UGLY TEXTURES HURRDURURUT GAME IS UGLY". I'm sure it would've ended differently..
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... cfs is reasonable
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WANT TO ADD:
Guess you won't play. You're banned now. I can't see any reason to use the textures you have over the official ones other than to gain an advantage, and you're fully aware that unfair textures are a bannable offense.
Direct any further discussions about this here: http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=16266
Carry on with the ladder.
Pathetic as intercourse response Jitspoe. "YOU WONT USE MY TEXTURES, ENJOY THE BAN!" -- Yeah, he wont use YOUR textures that aren't mandatory, so you ban him? That was your logic? He didn't say: "I wont change mine" - he said "I wont use yours" -- Go look at 90% of the posts from Europeans in your texture thread, most of them say they hate your textures/wont use them. THATS WHY ITS A WORK IN PROGRESS. More people use OTB's and Selda's and Sunman's then yours. He changed his barrels once Clipz commented, and you banned him cause he said he wont switch to yours. You run this game really well sir. I think I've got a new idea for "how to improve the game" -- Make set rules, make clear rules. Those textures were once legal, and other than posts in a few threads have never been put in an official spot to say not legal, nor has using your textures ever been mandatory. Well played Jitspoe! Well played!
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POSTING TWICE CAUSE I DONT WANNA EDIT MY POST:
To those saying: "he knew better!!"
Are you all stupid? He openly POSTED his screenshots on forums of his wins, he didn't try to hide them by getting his teammates to post. He didn't change textures for screenshots. Do you TRULY believe he knew these textures were illegal? Really? He purposely posted illegal textures on forums? Think a bit people.
Him not wanting to use Jitspoes textures doesn't mean he knew his were illegal. It shows these textures may be illegal, but only active forum users realize this. Those who don't use forums get banned for using a texture that everyone used to use, and they were never informed they're illegal. Come on Jitspoe, you're smarter than that. Seemed like you got fed up quickly for some reason and rushed into a ban. Hopefully you're not stubborn about it and reverse it. Then make a POST about illegal textures, OR finish your pack.
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Aveiro posted his screenshots openly. He obviously didn't know the textures were illegal. Rethink his ban Jitspoe.
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ffs
While I agree on the ban, the length is too much. I was pretty surprised by all the people who were starting to comeback (Dark, oXz,...), but this ban would just cut activity in half.
You really should think of an exception in this case and i think i speak for all (at least most of) players who are more or less familiar with his case, when I say that matching scene needs this exception! There would be no challenge with this ban :/
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Proza: LOL you're funny, but please don't speak for Brotherhood. There's no challenge for #Brotherhood if Aveiro is in the game or not.
I think best case scenario Jitspoe cuts it in half, which is still ridiculous. It was a rage ban, and now Aveiro is not going to be able to play for the rest of the summer, and likely the start of the "school year". Silly bans as the game starts to be able to do tournaments. We were going to run another tournament exactly how we ran nB Tournament (Jitspoe even congratulated us on how it was run) - but our only challenge in the game just got removed for a stupid reason. No competitiveness, no fun. Back to League, c ya l8r n3rdz.
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so many people have used these barrels and been warned, how didn't he know better? i used to use those barrels but when i seen jits say it was illegal i instantly changed them. but avi being banned kills 1 clan pretty much, he's an active member which this game needs.
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Hi,
It has been brought to our attention that something you were doing was wrong. We have taken remote screenshots of you and are currently discussing the matter. If there is anything you would like to tell me, now is the time. If the committee comes to a decision before you decide to help your ban time will be quite large. I would suggest coming clean about this issue and giving us any additional information you can. Thanks for your assistance.
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Some people said "You were warned after your first ban" but no. That was only message from committee I've got almost 2 years ago. Nobody warned me about my barrels. They just said they have some my sshots. How could I know whats wrong with them?
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^ That's the point. Only active forum users would see it, as it was posted, just in random threads where people had screenshots with those barrels. But there has never been anything official saying that, and there are STILL downloads ON THIS FORUM with those barrels. People can search forums for: HR4 textures - download it because its on forums - and get banned a week later because these textures are illegal.
When you don't have a thread for which textures are illegal, and you don't have a thread for legal texture packs, how can you ban anyone without warning about which textures are illegal? Please do explain Jitspoe. I'm truly interested to hear you're utterly amazing logic. You could at the very least remove the darn links to illegal texture packs. They all have screenshots, so you don't even have to download them to check.
What a cool thing, the official Digital Paint: Paintball 2.0 has downloads on it that are bannable. Yet they'll never get removed, people will just get banned for trusting a link while searching for HR4 textures. No other game has this, as anything illegal gets removed from forums. That's probably something we should try, no?
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Jits I think you need to make a list of allowed textures and non allowed textures. How else are people supposed to know? On some threads there are people talking about what's allowed and what's not, but you can't expect everyone to read everything ever posted on a thread especially multiple threads at that. Weather he knew about the textures being illegal or not there still is no thread saying that there are certain ones that can get you into trouble and others that can't. This seems a bit unreasonable to me.
1.Find the names of the packs that you don't want people using.
2. Make a thread about it
3. Sticky it.
It seems as simple as that. No more confusion, and then you can for sure tell weather people know or not if they're illegal because the post can't be missed. What if someone new to the game just found out about making textures, or that you can download packs? If they were textures you didn't want them using then how are they supposed to know? A ban hammer doesn't seem to be a fair way of letting people know lol.
If you want people to just use your textures and your textures only then why don't you state that publicly and make the cheat detection system warn someone when they replace textures in the game?
The officials are nice and detailed but they're ugly. They look more realistic than all of the others IMO but not many people are pleased with them.
Jitspoe to keep everyone happy, why not just have a poll on what the defaults should be? That way there is no such thing as an advantage because everyone would have the same stuff. That would make those blue barrels he has legal then if it were voted for.
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1. Keep the ban
2. Make official textures so this doesn't happen again
(who cares if you're not finished fully with the pack; that's the only reason that I could think of that would have made you not do so already)
3. Everyone shut up, no ban that has been put forth has been reconsidered unless jitspoe wrote "800 days untill I've sorted this out"
Also, the argument that only the regular forum poster would have known is bologna. Word travels fast among DP players, and in Aviero's case, he's on the forums anyway. Even showed us that he checks his inbox.
And furthermore, you know what I did when I changed my grass texture tot he one reaver gave me? I showed it to jitspoe and asked first. He said it was ugly, but not ban-able. It is HIS opinion after all. (basically I'm saying there are no excuses)
EDIT: If people were displeased about the new textures, I think I should have found more of the negative posts in the thread where jitspoe has been showing them all off...
INB4 I don't play anymore
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We already had a similiar case with CRASH a few years ago. He used q2 Models, uni-neon color for player skins and bullets etc .
Nowadays, none of us would say they weren't unfair, yet CRASH posted his video believing he did nothing illegal.
In the end, he got banned for them, and Jit later set up his mod detection so everybody knew what not to do (and I used this neon green stuff aswell back then).
These textures obviously grant visible advantage, not everybody knows they exist (therefore, it can't get fair, as long as it's not an ingame option), so the ban is perfectly fine for me within the already known rules.
Don't act like you didn't know it. Just because you can hide your textures in a hr4 pack, doesn't mean they don't fall under the same rules other modified content usually falls in. That's just ingnorant.
Be thankful that Jit even allows non offical textures. If he'd have forbidden that from the start, people couldn't even brag about how poor the game looks, since they wouldn't know about other textzres at all.
Keep it fair, play nice, most of us know what it feels like to be banned. Come back soon
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Lol, quit complaining people, jump off his well deserved banned detective and move on, enough with the ballads.
Textures so obviously bannable. His skill and activity does not have anything to do with how his ban should be treated.
I feel for you bro, but get smart.
Also, quick question, is information about illegal textures from a descriptive standpoint not readily available? Therefore textures as obvious as this should be easily deemed as illegal, especially by long time players, no? Ignorance is bo excuse.
Edit: Also, committee members really need to try and avoid undermining decisions in their posts and try to stay on, at the very most, a neutral perspective. xoxo
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The video Smacker made just proves why he is banned. It wasn't because of a single baby blue barrel, check the video out and see the textures. I don't like another person banned in the game, especially Av but if it was anyone else, all you guys defending him wouldn't give a flying intercourse.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyshZpO_W28&feature=youtu.be
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3. Everyone shut up, no ban that has been put forth has been reconsidered unless jitspoe wrote "800 days untill I've sorted this out"
Blindly posting without fact, as per usual. He unbanned Summit due to misinformation years back, after the ban was in place. There was another case too that I can't remember but will find for you. So you're right, it's really rare, but it has happened.
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First of all, let's throw all the hypothetical situations of new players downloading a high-res pack and immediately getting banned out. It's not like I have an auto-ban process or anything like that, and that's not the case here. Texture bans are dealt with on a per-case basis.
Aveiro has been around for a long time, been involved in discussions on this forum about textures, and probably a lot more discussions about textures outside of the forums. He's even been previously banned for unfair textures. Does anybody seriously believe he doesn't know you can get banned for unfair textures like these? Like, seriously, honest-to-goodness believe that?
Almost-solid-grey wall textures, washed-out-to-almost-white grass, super-light -- in some cases white -- barrel textures, faded wood textures that you almost can't even tell the wood grain direction on, etc. It's like a collection of every texture that pushes the limits of what should be acceptable, just from a common sense perspective.
Let's take a look at the first ban. Aveiro got screenshot'd a few times with some highly questionable textures. I believe this was before screenshotting was common knowledge. As a test, I asked him to send me a screenshot, and, poof, magically they were textures from a legit looking texture pack. After some back and forth in email, he basically said, "Just ban me. I don't care about this game."
Now Aveiro is back, and he obviously tried the official HR4 pack, but, without posting a single line of constructive criticism on how to improve it, switched to some other pack (or carefully selected collection of textures?), and proceeded to play with that. When JMR made a post along the lines of, "Dude, play fair", he said he wouldn't because the official textures were so horrible they gave him a headache.
Really? If his options are to play with unfair textures or not play at all, I just helped him with his decision.
To those saying, "If he knew, he wouldn't have posted the screenshots," I've seen people do a lot dumber stuff, like posting a screenshot of a scoreboard with a wallhack visible, or posting a video with solid neon-colored character models. If he genuinely was unaware using textures like this was not acceptable, why would he have tried to hide it from me way back when he was first banned?
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Just for the record I never said that he wasn't aware of the fact that his textures were illegal. I know you're not accusing me though. I just wanted to say that even though he knew they were illegal, I think there should still be a guideline, forum post, or even something in the "readme" text that comes along with the game about what textures are illegal and which ones are legal. This would help people out a lot with the issue and prevent future accidental incidents.
Here is an example, Rick just questioned me about my pp1 wall textures on the ladder thread by saying "wtf is up with your pp1 walls?" I am now using your offical hr4's because I honestly don't know weather my pack is legal or not. People like chemical are saying it's stupid and even Rick had to ask why they were like that.
On the other hand there are still people telling me that they're fine and there should be nothing to worry about. I also know I'm not the only one with that pack (even though there are very few in the game with that pack still.) but I don't think it would be fair for everyone to have to PM you and wait for a response just to find out weather they are okay or not.
If you just gathered all of the legit packs in the game that you know of JItspoe, and simply make a forum post about what's good and what's not, then I'm sure I would not be the only satisfied person in this community about it. Yes I think those barrels he had were totally unfair and just way too light and I have also seen the legalities in some threads on them. However I just randomly stumbled upon that thread the one day and noticed that they were illegal. If I didn't do that then I could be accused of attempting to gain an advantage in the game too, even though that wouldn't have been the intention.
I still think you need to just make a quick poll about which pack should be the default considering not many people are fond of your pack. Like I said, then there would be no "unfair" pack and people would be happy. People aren't making packs anymore and posting them on the forums so it shouldn't be hard to limit the amount of packs that can be used. I don't know of anymore than 4 legitimate, popular texture packs as of now.
Sorry if all of ^ wasn't quite on topic with this thread but I figured this would be the best time to state mine and other peoples opinions about the subject.
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Im playing with sunmans textures atm, if your going on with bans like that jit then you have to draw a clear line which textures are allowed and which not. I dont want to get banned for using sunmans pack and I also dont want to ask everytime i change a single texture. Also I never would use ur texturepack, it looks just awful and while im playing i can just focus on these ugly excrement, imo its a disadvantage playing with it.
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Almost-solid-grey wall textures, washed-out-to-almost-white grass, super-light -- in some cases white -- barrel textures, faded wood textures that you almost can't even tell the wood grain direction on, etc. It's like a collection of every texture that pushes the limits of what should be acceptable, just from a common sense perspective.
Almost every of these textures is taken from Sunman's/Selda's pack. So everyone who use them should be banned?
Let's take a look at the first ban. Aveiro got screenshot'd a few times with some highly questionable textures. I believe this was before screenshotting was common knowledge. As a test, I asked him to send me a screenshot, and, poof, magically they were textures from a legit looking texture pack. After some back and forth in email, he basically said, "Just ban me. I don't care about this game."
To those saying, "If he knew, he wouldn't have posted the screenshots," I've seen people do a lot dumber stuff, like posting a screenshot of a scoreboard with a wallhack visible, or posting a video with solid neon-colored character models. If he genuinely was unaware using textures like this was not acceptable, why would he have tried to hide it from me way back when he was first banned?
But you just don't know from which pc i sent you the screenshot. It could be from my old pc, where I use official hr4, cuz of better fps. I don't remember what was 2 years ago, when you asked me for my sshot.
If there was a chance to play, I would did it. But not with your official hr4 anymore. I saw a lot of sshots from another pack and your was the worst. I played almost everyday after comeback, but since my start in 2008 I saw you on public once. It means that you just dont know which texture pack is better for active playing people. Almost every my dp friend use nicier pack than your is.
Nevermind, I like how many people fight for my unban or reducing my ban. Thank you all, but if Jitspoe wants to make from cool game, dead game, we cant change it. Your game dying after your steps and you dont even care about it.
I'm still wondering if there will be some theard about legal and ilegal textures made by Jitspoe.
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For jistpoe - advice - stop making any kind of textures. You are making the worst textures I have ever seen, maps are too dark and only looking on grass hurts. Try making it more "game" than "real".
Same for maps. You are giving advices to mappers to make easier jumps/ways for newbies, but we do not want newbies playing matches, they are not even playing matches because they suck. If they are not able to make a doublejump, the should be banned on match servers. And I think when somebody is making map with hard ways, it is supposed to be played in match, not on pub. You will never be able to play on our level, so you will never know how the game is supposed to look like.
I am playing the game 7 years already and for me only illegal textures are transparent textures. You can have white textures on black maps, white sky, light barrels, but without aim you are nothing. I can kill a player only with sounds on and good recon from my team mates. Half of success is good recon. These two things are priority. I wanna see a match where you kill somebody and he starts complaining about textures. I am telling you... http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/578/g0d4.jpg This is master of camouflage.
You should think about this texture thing, because everybody is able to modify their textures without your notice until they reveal them on screenshot. So everybody has the same conditions. Same as turning reflective water on/off or changing brightness. So untill you show up some Official textures allowed only, you have no right to ban for illegal textures because at this point are no legal textures, all are on discussion and i think nobody can say what is wrong when everybody can modify their textures.
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Aveiro, dont take this game 2 srsly pls.
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Jitspoe, that's a very silly argument to say he had to have known it was illegal when posting it. Using the example of a very small number of people who were dumb enough doesn't mean everyone was. If you scanned out all the hackers who used forums, I'd bet 99% of them never posted something they knew would get them banned on forums. He posted them openly in a DP Ladder that was probably the most looked at thread on the forums right now. Are you seriously believing he thought they were illegal and still posted multiple screenshots? He got them from links you can DOWNLOAD on here. Sure, it's a mix of Selda's and Sunmans, but as I sent you lastnight, you can download them on your forums. No other game has a stupid enough system that allows you to download bannable content on it's own forums.
As for the advantage, most people use a light bark on airtime, looking at his screenshots I didn't find them an advantage. If I was making a texture pack for an advantage I'd use Spartax's. Washed out stone textures are way more clear. Do I think he used them cause they look nicer? No. It was certainly for a slight advantage of seeing people, but not a ban worthy advantage. Considering there's NO guidelines to textures, this is just a plain silly ban.
Another point is cause you rage banned, you didn't understand his post. His option wasn't unfair textures or not play, you're just to stubborn to understand that 90% of this game HATES your texture pack. Most active players have not supported your attempt at making these detailed textures. It was he REFUSED to use yours, which aren't mandatory. He never said he wouldn't switch, in fact he did switch once Clipz warned him.
Isn't that crazy? A committee member warned someone for bannable content that there is no set guidelines for (you know, how it used to be when the game was more active) - and he had the option to change it or get banned. He changed it. An hour later, he still received a ban. That alone is stupid, jitspoe. What's the point of a committee when he listens to the committee member but still gets banned?
To top it off, as Sequal noted he just changed his cause NOBODY KNOWS WHAT IS LEGAL AND ILLEGAL. There has been no set stuff. It's just a few screenshots on forums you usually say: "you should change this, its too much of an advantage" -- and people change it, or get banned. Sequal's been around long enough, shouldn't he know too? Or wait, maybe it is YOUR FAULT Jitspoe, maybe you haven't made it clear what is illegal. You can't just say: "don't give yourself an advantage" - cause really, then OTB's pack becomes bannable. Every single pack in this game is a bigger advantage than yours "official pack" because they have smoother textures.
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Every time some stupid excrement gets a ban for textures, the 'omg jits u kill ur game agen gg wp leblanc op' excrement starts.
Almost-solid-grey wall textures, washed-out-to-almost-white grass, super-light -- in some cases white -- barrel textures, faded wood textures that you almost can't even tell the wood grain direction on, etc. It's like a collection of every texture that pushes the limits of what should be acceptable, just from a common sense perspective.
Let's take a look at the first ban. Aveiro got screenshot'd a few times with some highly questionable textures. I believe this was before screenshotting was common knowledge. As a test, I asked him to send me a screenshot, and, poof, magically they were textures from a legit looking texture pack. After some back and forth in email, he basically said, "Just ban me. I don't care about this game."
When JMR made a post along the lines of, "Dude, play fair", he said he wouldn't because the official textures were so horrible they gave him a headache.
Really? If his options are to play with unfair textures or not play at all, I just helped him with his decision.
To those saying, "If he knew, he wouldn't have posted the screenshots," I've seen people do a lot dumber stuff, like posting a screenshot of a scoreboard with a wallhack visible, or posting a video with solid neon-colored character models. If he genuinely was unaware using textures like this was not acceptable, why would he have tried to hide it from me way back when he was first banned?
^ thats pretty clear
is it so hard to just ask someone if your newly acquired texture pack is legal? like seriously. knee deep in retard.
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Listen, as much as you like it or not its jitspoes game, there for its jitspoes rules. His textures or get in trouble I cant be any more clear then that.
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Same for maps. You are giving advices to mappers to make easier jumps/ways for newbies, but we do not want newbies playing matches, they are not even playing matches because they suck. If they are not able to make a doublejump, the should be banned on match servers. And I think when somebody is making map with hard ways, it is supposed to be played in match, not on pub. You will never be able to play on our level, so you will never know how the game is supposed to look like.
This sure sounds like someone who is interested in keeping the community alive.
On topic:
I suggest to lock this thread, as it's obviously not helping anyone. You're all just raging and bringing arguments that only make you look like a fool. While Jitspoe is using his little spare time to create some textures (as a response to your earlier rage about the graphics) and even giving you the possibility to give feedback, none of you ever replied except for some "ugly" and "OL IT SUCKS MUCH" posts.
How about you (and with you I mean every little sucker out there that is complaining about the textures) put your heads together and create a texture pack which you think is reasonable? Present this to Jitspoe and than discuss on a mature level, instead of just crying over work of others.
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Listen, as much as you like it or not its jitspoes game, there for its jitspoes rules. His textures or get in trouble I cant be any more clear then that.
But it's not true because some textures are legal outside of Jitspoe's. It's a matter of him telling people which ones they can use and which ones they can't. lol it's really not that complicated.
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Jimmy - I've posted legit feedback in Jitspoe's thread, and I've still argued this. So don't generalize by saying "you're all raging and bringing arguments that make you look like a fool" etc.. and that none of us have replied to jitspoes thread. Cause I have responded to him, and I have made arguments here. Almost all my arguments have good logic. Which also lead to Rick making a thread about legit textures. People aren't aware of what's legit.
Clipz - His textures aren't finished nor mandatory. Considering most people hate them, until they're mandatory nobody will follow that.
++++ Ban was stupid and out of rage rather than logic. Should have been a warning. His last ban he was never even informed what about his textures are bad. He posted his screenshots on forums so didn't know they were illegal. If he didn't change them once he found out they were illegal, than a ban is deserved.
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Jimmy why are you still Committee? You are not even playing the game and you are making decisions what is best for the game. How dare you saying anything about bringing texture packs, when sunman's textures are already on the forum? You do not know this forum Jimmy?
By the way you who complain about aveiro's textures how they help him to see enemy better, what is the norm of seeing enemy? So can I say Jitspoe's testures are making enemy worse to see so they are giving you disadvantage? Or if you make those barrels 10% darker, it is ok than? What is the allowed colour of the barrels? They are supposed to be blue, so they are blue. But what blue? "Player" blue? So player can blend when he stand before the barrels? I have not seen any definition of the colour they are supposed to be. So if Jitspoe is not able to maky any list of the legal colours or textures, there is no deffinition if illegal.
Edit: And if Jitspoe is making decisions on his own, how can we know he is not affected by third person?
He may just say - Aww these textures are too much different from mine, lets ban him.. I do not believe in his decisions.
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Jimmy why are you still Committee? You are not even playing the game and you are making decisions what is best for the game. How dare you saying anything about bringing texture packs, when sunman's textures are already on the forum? You do not know this forum Jimmy?
I am in no way trying to decide what is best for this game. I'm only trying to point out that your (multiple) way of discussing here isn't very helpful in order to reach a compromise.
Just one random example:
How dare you saying anything about bringing texture packs, when sunman's textures are already on the forum?
I am aware Sunmans texture pack is available somewhere on the forum, but why should it be considered the best texture pack? Jitspoe obviously has problems with this pack, and you do not like his. Instead of raging like you currently do, why do you not discuss with him in order to find a solution which satisfies both the community and Jitspoe.
I am not trying to mix myself into a discussion about what textures are legal and what not. All I said is that you guys should stop raging and prepare an alternative so you can actually discuss with him instead of just blame him for everything you don't like.
off-topic side note:
This problem is not new to the forums though. As far as I can remember people have always been mad for any reason, but only the fewest actually contributed something to this game. In my opinion only these few should have the right to complain, but funny enough these are the people with the fewest complaints.
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Here is the problem when Jitspoe has problem for example with grass, he wants it to look more like his, darker and more real. We do not want it like his, it is not pretty. And than you tell us to have a mature discussion but when we want it our way, it is not possible. Just I think Jitspoe wants every texture pack to look more like his. And as I am saying again. Texture pack does not matter in visibility, you can see a player miles away and you can totally miss him without skill. They are here just for making the game prettier and playable but it seems Jitspoe does not want us to like this game the way we want.
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Blindly posting without fact, as per usual. He unbanned Summit due to misinformation years back, after the ban was in place. There was another case too that I can't remember but will find for you. So you're right, it's really rare, but it has happened.
There is no information to be misunderstood here... my statement still stands. Obviously a ban would be repealed if someone was mistakenly banned.
Also I think there is a "jitspoe's ugly textures" band wagon just to spite him. Those textures are clearer in "high res", DON'T look stretched or fuzzy, ACTUALLY look like what the intended item or thing is, and NO ONE has criticized it when he has been posting about them on the forums.
Kids' just mad.
Only thing I can agree with is that there should be some guideline, but ban should stay.
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Jimmy why are you still Committee? You are not even playing the game and you are making decisions what is best for the game. How dare you saying anything about bringing texture packs, when sunman's textures are already on the forum? You do not know this forum Jimmy?
By the way you who complain about aveiro's textures how they help him to see enemy better, what is the norm of seeing enemy? So can I say Jitspoe's testures are making enemy worse to see so they are giving you disadvantage? Or if you make those barrels 10% darker, it is ok than? What is the allowed colour of the barrels? They are supposed to be blue, so they are blue. But what blue? "Player" blue? So player can blend when he stand before the barrels? I have not seen any definition of the colour they are supposed to be. So if Jitspoe is not able to maky any list of the legal colours or textures, there is no deffinition if illegal.
Edit: And if Jitspoe is making decisions on his own, how can we know he is not affected by third person?
He may just say - Aww these textures are too much different from mine, lets ban him.. I do not believe in his decisions.
Jimmy has been here longer than you kiddo, he has every right to say what he want's. He has been more helpful to this game than the kids like you who are butthurt about THE GAME'S CREATOR AND HIS RULES AND OPINIONS.
Let the game "DIE" it's none of your concern or worry, just leave.
PS, your "it's not pretty" comment made me laugh.
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There is no information to be misunderstood here... my statement still stands. Obviously a ban would be repealed if someone was mistakenly banned.
Also I think there is a "jitspoe's ugly textures" band wagon just to spite him. Those textures are clearer in "high res", DON'T look stretched or fuzzy, ACTUALLY look like what the intended item or thing is, and NO ONE has criticized it when he has been posting about them on the forums.
Kids' just mad.
Only thing I can agree with is that there should be some guideline, but ban should stay.
No one has critized it because noone was using them, but now when he is forcing us to use them, this pretty obvious we will start complaining.
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No one has critized it because noone was using them, but now when he is forcing us to use them, this pretty obvious we will start complaining.
Back when Jitspoe started his thread with about new textures, he made the following post (still available as first post).
Goals of the pack:
- Improve the visuals of the game.
- Standardize high resolution textures for fairness in game play.
- GPL compatibility (all textures will have source available - be that photographs, scripts, PSD files, or whatever - and be free to edit, use, and distribute under the GPL license).
1. "Improve the visuals of the game"
This is a matter of taste, I will not discuss this here or somewhere else.
2. "Standardize high resolution textures for fairness in game play"
I admit this might be hard to understand for people who do not speak perfect english (no sarcasm intended), but basically it says "standard textures so all players have equal chances". Therefore I do not see why you seem "surprised" about the fact that those textures are now forced to use (although I'm not sure whether there has been an official announcement yet).
3. "GPL compatibility"
Stuff I don't know about, so I'd better not comment it.
Also, Jitspoe has outed more than once that he's willing to listen to other opinions (just read the first post I already quoted from) and he has revised multiple textures based on feedback from others.
I seriously see no reason for Jitspoe to even listen to your opinion now, as back then most of you didn't give a flying intercourse. I consider it rather grateful that Jitspoe is actually still wanting to listen to your feedback, but you don't seem to appreciate his offers (just my assumption, as all you do is raging instead of giving clear feedback and wishes as Jitspoe asked for).
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No one has critized it because noone was using them, but now when he is forcing us to use them, this pretty obvious we will start complaining.
If no one was allowed to change the textures to anything other than w/e jitspoe made, then this wouldn't even be an issue, you kids wouldn't even care that they were "ugly". Unfortunately, this is was not the case.
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And again, Foxhound and Jimmy, 2 guys who arent playing this game anymore.
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you know what INB4 means?
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I am telling you Luckmore, they will never understand the point of what we are trying to say.
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You're saying that we used to be able to use w/e we want, why does that have to change now? especially when there are no guidlines!!! etc etc female dog female dog female dog. We understand, we just want you to stop QQ.
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Textures matter so much now apparently... why can't you guys just play paintball and not worry about textures? It must be a big thing, because people are getting really mad... about textures?
Does this game really touch you so hard it makes you want to "make it prettier" with texture packs?
It's not such a big thing to worry about, you guys shouldn't have to fuss about it so much.
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He posted his screenshots on forums so didn't know they were illegal.
Ignorance is bliss, isn't it?
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And again, Foxhound and Jimmy, 2 guys who arent playing this game anymore.
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Why post about a game you have nothing to do with anymore?
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Why post about a game you have nothing to do with anymore?
Just because you have all day to play doesn't mean we do.
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Hi Everybody!!! Remember me? Please refrain from posting in this thread UNLESS it is about the topic. If you have other issues please create a new thread in the appropriate section. Please refer to the forum rules as well since everyone seems to be lacking in proper etiquette. KK THNX
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Jitspoe is just jealous that Aveiro's textures are better then his really cool looking "official hr4 pack" (released long time ago). I'm sure that these textures gave him almost the same advantage like wallhack. And that's the reason why I would perma-ban Aveiro. After all, it's already his 4th offense! He's such a cheater!
YOLO11111LOL111GG
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Just because you have all day to play doesn't mean we do.
Dont be stupid Cam, your opinion is invalid since you dont play. Kind of like how retired football players cant comment on games and retired chefs cant cook.
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Unrated : It is more like - anybody who can not cook should not tell chef how to cook.
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Except Cams experience in this game on both the playing and community side is huge. So no, its nothing like that. Feel free to try again. #wank4rick
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So Jitspoe, tell us what should we do when you cut off one of our players? What can we do for shortening Aveiro's ban?
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I'll discuss this with the committee.
Committee: http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=26280.0
Perhaps a full cheat ban is a bit much for this, but considering how many people were upset about it in the ladder thread, it seemed unreasonable to let it go unpunished.
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uhm avi hacked bro. wallhack!
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uhm avi hacked bro. wallhack!
sounds and voice recon arent wallhack :P
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Oi n1gga, people were upset about it? You mean JMR and Sequal (who can't accept loss against muthaphukkin .iNte.) and people who don't play anymore (sitting on irc and F5ing forum every 3secs thinkin' they know somethin' 'bout dp) so I wouldn't count them.
Maybe it was more important back then, having same textures, when everyone sat behind barrels with +attack and called themselves "OLDSCHOOLERS LOLZ BEST GENERATION".
But for one texture 256days? Even if its his 4th or 3rd offense or whatever, he never hacked, always played fair. Oh and I'd like to know if you always ban people without telling them.
buzišlápci.
Jitspoe made a new ban time system, if you cheat/mod its an auto: 1024 days(I think). Yes that is always the case, people are always/most of the time banned without being informed. If you have a problem with his time, then PM and ask him to reduce it.
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I have to say that I don't agree with this ban at all. Those textures look great in my opinion. Personally I think people should be able to use whatever textures or models they want on public servers (provided they aren't spiked models or anything like that). And having a setting like sv_pure in TF2 for match servers to force default textures/models so nobody has any type of advantage. Until something like this is implemented I don't think it is fair to ban people for making the game look beautiful. Especially considering there was never an official post/notice that certain textures are illegal.
Seems like a lot of people agree with me. I will try to argue this opinion in the committee discussion.
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I have to say that I don't agree with this ban at all. Those textures look great in my opinion. Personally I think people should be able to use whatever textures or models they want on public servers (provided they aren't spiked models or anything like that). And having a setting like sv_pure in TF2 for match servers to force default textures/models so nobody has any type of advantage. Until something like this is implemented I don't think it is fair to ban people for making the game look beautiful. Especially considering there was never an official post/notice that certain textures are illegal.
Seems like a lot of people agree with me. I will try to argue this opinion in the committee discussion.
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I have to say that I don't agree with this ban at all. Those textures look great in my opinion. Personally I think people should be able to use whatever textures or models they want on public servers (provided they aren't spiked models or anything like that). And having a setting like sv_pure in TF2 for match servers to force default textures/models so nobody has any type of advantage. Until something like this is implemented I don't think it is fair to ban people for making the game look beautiful. Especially considering there was never an official post/notice that certain textures are illegal.
Seems like a lot of people agree with me. I will try to argue this opinion in the committee discussion.
absolutely true :3
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I have to say that I don't agree with this ban at all. Those textures look great in my opinion. Personally I think people should be able to use whatever textures or models they want on public servers (provided they aren't spiked models or anything like that). And having a setting like sv_pure in TF2 for match servers to force default textures/models so nobody has any type of advantage. Until something like this is implemented I don't think it is fair to ban people for making the game look beautiful. Especially considering there was never an official post/notice that certain textures are illegal.
Seems like a lot of people agree with me. I will try to argue this opinion in the committee discussion.
Thank you, thats what I kept saying along with other things. I remember in the "Official HR4 texture" thread you were arguing your textures looked nicer than Jitspoes. Yet now people are claiming the grass you had (I believe on the map Cream where you posted the screenshot) is illegal.
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Thank you, thats what I kept saying along with other things. I remember in the "Official HR4 texture" thread you were arguing your textures looked nicer than Jitspoes. Yet now people are claiming the grass you had (I believe on the map Cream where you posted the screenshot) is illegal.
Yeah the problem is that it is all a matter of personal preference. That is why I think we should be allowed to use whatever we want on public servers, provided they aren't things like clear walls or spiked models.
I am 100% fine with enforcing a standardized texture pack for competitive games, but there has to be a real way to enforce it. We can't just ban people who post screenshots on the forums. That will only hurt the active community. Something like a "Custom" texture folder would be nice. And just disable its use on sv_certified 1 servers.
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While I disagree with your point about public servers (I don't think people should be allowed to use neon models on solid backgrounds on pub servers), this wasn't on a pub server.
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I have to say that I don't agree with this ban at all. Those textures look great in my opinion. Personally I think people should be able to use whatever textures or models they want on public servers (provided they aren't spiked models or anything like that). And having a setting like sv_pure in TF2 for match servers to force default textures/models so nobody has any type of advantage. Until something like this is implemented I don't think it is fair to ban people for making the game look beautiful. Especially considering there was never an official post/notice that certain textures are illegal.
Seems like a lot of people agree with me. I will try to argue this opinion in the committee discussion.
Ive already stated I agree with you 100% now ill let the public know I agree with superman.
Jitspoe im trying to say this in the nicest way possible, If you are going to enforce your textures make them look nice they look like they are still from the 90's.
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Jitspoe im trying to say this in the nicest way possible, If you are going to enforce your textures make them look nice they look like they are still from the 90's.
His textures look far more to-date than any other pack. The problem is more the maps than the textures. Although it is very hard to make realistic textures that can compete with current games.
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Finally 2 active committees who know about what they are talking. If other committee's played too, they would change their opinion about official (or non-official) textures.
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oh cmon what the intercourse.. argue here and ban people over textures:D
1. these normally modified textures dont give u any advantage
2. people dont use them to gain advantage
3. since when are textures illegal wtf
4. why dont just make sunmans pack the official pack ? everyone will be happy and less job for jitspoe
5. this game is already " dying " or what ever so it is stupid to argue here about worthless things like textures
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But rules are rules mate ;d
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what rules ?
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I don't think there should be different rules on textures on public-servers and match-servers. Newbies find even speed servers competitive. No sense whatsoever to make seperate rules.
And after all, people complaining about the textures play much more in matchservers than in pubs so how would that help at all? And finally, if there really is advantage to be gained then it would be so unfair for the poor noobies.
Been watching this texture saga for a while now and it all seems to be just about that those czechs want as light and bright textures as possible and jitspoe on the other hand wants to keep them as realistic as possible and full of details. So you're pretty far from each other. I personally like both jitspoe's and those light textures and to be completely honest, in my opinion textures dont give significant advantage unless you go REALLY overboard. I could be wrong, though. However, it is hilarious that we are having a world war here about textures.
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While I disagree with your point about public servers (I don't think people should be allowed to use neon models on solid backgrounds on pub servers), this wasn't on a pub server.
I can understand that. I suppose that is just my "wishlist". If it never happens that is fine. I am not sure how TF2 does it but the mods there all see to be very similar to the originals, nothing that would give that much of an advantage.
But until there is a real way to have legal textures enforced I don't think it is fair to ban people for trying to make their game look nicer. Like I said I think those textures look great and I think that is the reason people use them. They aren't doing it just for an advantage.
I just think there has to be a real way to enforce this rule before we can start banning people for "trying to get an advantage". Maybe some kind of check on the pball texture folder to ensure nothing has been modified. I would also suggest including the HR4 textures with the game download, could be a secondary option like: 1. Download vanilla version 2. Download high-res version.
I don't think there should be different rules on textures on public-servers and match-servers. Newbies find even speed servers competitive. No sense whatsoever to make seperate rules.
And after all, people complaining about the textures play much more in matchservers than in pubs so how would that help at all? And finally, if there really is advantage to be gained then it would be so unfair for the poor noobies.
The point of public server is just to have fun. I understand where you and jitspoe are coming from though. Maybe I'm taking it a bit too far with different options for public/match servers. It works well in TF2 but maybe DP is just too old of this kind of thing to work.
I personally like both jitspoe's and those light textures and to be completely honest, in my opinion textures dont give significant advantage unless you go REALLY overboard. I could be wrong, though. However, it is hilarious that we are having a world war here about textures.
I agree with this. I don't really think it is a world war though =p. More like a conversation that is hopefully productive.
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So are there any final results about my ban or not yet?
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I am bored of checking forum every day.. Will be there any changes in my ban or not? Jitspoe didnt answer me yet.
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I am bored of checking forum every day.. Will be there any changes in my ban or not? Jitspoe didnt answer me yet.
A vote is up now. We will hopefully have a result in a couple days.
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Unban him finally.
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The longest voting in my life.
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Ban reduced to 64 days.
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Congratulation :D
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Woah nice. But I still think its too much :) Nvm thx
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See ya soon in dp aveiro. :D
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Woah nice. But I still think its too much :) Nvm thx
lmao...this guy
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lmao...this guy
Wazup Lucian?
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