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Fairness Enforcement => Cheater Reports and Bans => Topic started by: jitspoe on March 25, 2009, 02:11:57 PM
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At least he came clean about it, but it's disappointing that he did it in the first place.
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Reason for ban:
Creating, using, and distributing modified content (maps)
Committee voted on a 1024 day ban.
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pssst:
Ban length?
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Committee voted on a 1024 day ban.
Cya later pal.
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sigh rick you noob
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sigh rick you noob
+1 but why 1024 day just for modified map and distributing when somes guy have for wallhacking 64 day and aimboting 32 day? Did modified map is more cheat than all? why?:S
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A standard has been set previously for creating and distributing. That is why.
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really disappointing man!
1024 days goes by fast, no worries ;)
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A standard has been set previously for creating and distributing. That is why.
Oh, just one thing. Why do I get 1.5 years more for being on the committee?
sigh rick you noob
I was dissapointed in myself, thats why i came forward to the committee.
Edit: IP: 60.230.180.87
Reverse DNS: CPE-60-230-180-87.vic.bigpond.net.au
It appears you are not banned from your current IP address.
huh?
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Cusoman's 64 day ban? Where do you think I learnt how to modify maps.
Oh, just one thing. Why do I get 1.5 years more for being on the committee?
The committee never got a chance to vote on Cusoman's ban. Also, you did not get 1.5 years more for being on the committee. As I already said you got the ban you deserved by the standards that have been set. I said in the committee forum that I wanted to give you a higher ban than 1024 because you were on the committee, but unfortunately 1024 was the highest :(
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The committee never got a chance to vote on Cusoman's ban. Also, you did not get 1.5 years more for being on the committee. As I already said you got the ban you deserved by the standards that have been set. I said in the committee forum that I wanted to give you a higher ban than 1024 because you were on the committee, but unfortunately 1024 was the highest :(
So i can rat people out Like Homingbullet did to get my ban lower?
and come on Jitspoe, ban that ip! So i can leave and have babies with Henrod.
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So i can rat people out Like Homingbullet did to get my ban lower?
More than likely.
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I still find that time ridiculous... but can't really do much about it now.
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Cheating in this game is ridiculous :-\
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The committee never got a chance to vote on Cusoman's ban. Also, you did not get 1.5 years more for being on the committee. As I already said you got the ban you deserved by the standards that have been set. I said in the committee forum that I wanted to give you a higher ban than 1024 because you were on the committee, but unfortunately 1024 was the highest :(
Can I know why it's so big then?
Mayhem did way more excrement then me and ended up with 666 days?
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Cusoman's 64 day ban? Where do you think I learnt how to modify maps.
You stated that you learned from darkness/madman's instructions. I don't recall Cusoman even being mentioned.
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new free place in the committee :P
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new free place in the committee :P
I believe he "resigned" from the committee a month or so back.
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I find it absolutely ridiculous that Cusoman, the guy who TOLD RICK HOW to modify maps, modified them himself, used them, AND distributed them, gets a mere slap on the wrist with a 2 month ban while Rick gets forced over and has 19757435 detectives shoved in his ass with a 3 YEAR ban. Where's the fairness in that? Maybe he did HEAR from Madman how to do it, but never knew HOW until Cusoman told him how...?
About Mayhem's ban, you're saying that if Rick had asked to be banned for a cool number of days, it would have been done for him? He told me he thought it would be SUPER UBER LEET COOLNESS if he got 123 days. Anyway, the difference is, none of those guys who got the massive ban times even WANTED to play DP2 anymore. Rick, on the other hand, actually does want to play. According to him, the only reason he did all of this with his maps was because he thought he was going to leave the game, but after he began to hack, he decided that he really wanted to play again and stopped, which was about 3 months ago.
In my opinion, Rick should get a break on this one. He does deserve to be banned, but not for 3 years...
Anyways, just my 2 cents.
(<3 Rick)
-SuKO-RU
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Sweet. he deserves it. this will make people enjoy the game more.
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Pretty fackin pathetic rRick....Shouldve just buried the truth and lived with the guilt, or channel it into some form of service to the community. Cant really believe I just said that, but this is one case where a the community will lose a potentially very productive member.
The ban times who dont follow the normal tables seem to follow the rule "days = dissapointment".
You played too much as it was. If you need your fix, start delivering papers and buy off the ban.
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I find it absolutely ridiculous that Cusoman, the guy who TOLD RICK HOW to modify maps, modified them himself, used them, AND distributed them, gets a mere slap on the wrist with a 2 month ban while Rick gets forced over and has 19757435 detectives shoved in his ass with a 3 YEAR ban. Where's the fairness in that? Maybe he did HEAR from Madman how to do it, but never knew HOW until Cusoman told him how...?
About Mayhem's ban, you're saying that if Rick had asked to be banned for a cool number of days, it would have been done for him? He told me he thought it would be SUPER UBER LEET COOLNESS if he got 123 days. Anyway, the difference is, none of those guys who got the massive ban times even WANTED to play DP2 anymore. Rick, on the other hand, actually does want to play. According to him, the only reason he did all of this with his maps was because he thought he was going to leave the game, but after he began to hack, he decided that he really wanted to play again and stopped, which was about 3 months ago.
In my opinion, Rick should get a break on this one. He does deserve to be banned, but not for 3 years...
Anyways, just my 2 cents.
(<3 Rick)
-SuKO-RU
Cusoman's ban time was not voted on by the committee. Oh, and no one gets a break. Period.
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Then there is still the best part where cusoman told Rick nothing?
Seriously how is it that with all the loads of modified map users to choose from, I get picked out as GUY WHO TAUGHTZORZZZZZZ.
Back on topic: I think Rick should have reduced days because he was actually a positive force in the community for long before, and a good deal after he hacked. Does his past record of clear headed decisions for this game's committee hold no merit?
-Cusoman
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No. He hacked and distributed, therefore he fails.
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Rick think about this
"When one door closes another one opens; but we so often look so long and so regretfully upon the closed door, that we do not see the ones which open for us."
Alexander Graham Bell
Which by what i mean you have some free time go do something great not sure if it is for dp. but dont set around and whine about you getting banned do something to change it.
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The committee never got a chance to vote on Cusoman's ban. Also, you did not get 1.5 years more for being on the committee. As I already said you got the ban you deserved by the standards that have been set. I said in the committee forum that I wanted to give you a higher ban than 1024 because you were on the committee, but unfortunately 1024 was the highest :(
By all means Jits let them vote. The inequity could be fixed by increasing Cuso's ban.
Rick, I am sorry you will be gone from the game. You were always friendly to us in InT. But I think the penalty is fair. Hacking has no place in the game. Hopefully others can realize this before paying with a long ban.
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Hopefully Cuso's ban time gets looked over again. When Cuso's case is compared to Rick's we see no equality.
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Then there is still the best part where cusoman told Rick nothing?
Seriously how is it that with all the loads of modified map users to choose from, I get picked out as GUY WHO TAUGHTZORZZZZZZ.
Back on topic: I think Rick should have reduced days because he was actually a positive force in the community for long before, and a good deal after he hacked. Does his past record of clear headed decisions for this game's committee hold no merit?
-Cusoman
Robbie, I don't care if i get banned from this game, I just care about the difference is ban times, Mayhem 666 and me 1024.
I agree with my ban time, just shouldn't it be done with everyone else to?
So theres no similarities between the cases Bix?
Once again, I'm not trying to get my ban reduced, i deserve it, but it's not just me who deserves it.
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I meant the crimes are similar, but the ban times are at opposites.
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I meant the crimes are similar, but the ban times are at opposites.
My bad.
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o god Rick. 1024 days...seriously...?
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i think the vote is biased. the commite members r juz unfair.
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i think the vote is biased. the commite members r juz unfair.
The committee voted the correct time in this situation. I believe people are mad over the fact Cuso's ban was never voted on, and he simply got a 64 day ban for similar actions.
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I don't believe cusoman ever distributed actually.
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Rick got caught cause he fessed up about it and everything. And gets 1024 days. What about in this case:
http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=14149.0
He fessed up and got 64 days? Both distribution... I know i'm probably missing something in all this, just wierd... Other distributers get less days than Rick for the same crime. Mayhem did wayyy more then Rick and got a lower ban, XaNeX distributed and got 64 days... Why isn't there a standard time for distributers? Please explain to me what the difference is.
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Rick's ban = bad. Like myers just posted the link to XaNeX's ban that was his FIRST offense with cheat distribution and gets 64 days...Rick's first offense he gets bombed with 3 years? and on top of that fessed up? There's got to be something wrong there.
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Crying won't change ban times. It is what it is.
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Nobody is crying. I'm just curious about why the ban times are completely different for the same offence. Going from 64 to 1024, both first offence distributers. Both gave themself in. Xanex gave it to 3 people, how many did Rick give it to?
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You are arguing for the sake of argument.
You are not going to change the ban times.
The only possible reason for you to even be concerned is if you are in Ricks place and are concerned with the ban time you may be about to recieve when you fess up.
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You are arguing for the sake of argument.
You are not going to change the ban times.
The only possible reason for you to even be concerned is if you are in Ricks place and are concerned with the ban time you may be about to recieve when you fess up.
Exactly.
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Uhm... I've already fessed up broski. I'm not concerned. I'm wondering a simple question budd. Why two people distributed, one of them gets 1024 days, and one gets 64.
It is completely unfair. I'm not saying reduce Rick's ban, or raise everyone else's. I just want to know the difference between the cases. So yeah, I do not find it equal to give various ban times for the same offence. Just my opinion.
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Well I think that rick did receive a rather stiff ban time, yet he was on the committee and should have known better. I fully agree with the committee's decision for this ban time. I just don't think it is right for Rick to get angry at other people's ban times. it really is none of your business. cuso has practically served half of his ban why bring it back up. cya in 3 years Rick. :]
-SkeetermcPeter
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Nobody is crying. I'm just curious about why the ban times are completely different for the same offence. Going from 64 to 1024, both first offence distributers. Both gave themself in. Xanex gave it to 3 people, how many did Rick give it to?
Like I told the committee, I gave them to 3 people.
A standard has been set previously for creating and distributing. That is why.
Are you referring to Darkness, Madman, Kilo and xanex?
-Darkness/Madman designed a wallhack and gave out the instructions to multiple people.
-Kilo uploaded alot of hacks to a public upload site where anybody had the access to download them.
-Xanex gave them to 3 people, did not make instrucitons, didn't upload them and yet a 64 day ban?
-Rick gave them to 3 people, did not make instructions, did not upload to a public upload site, so why's the ban so hefty.
Whats so different about mine and xanex's ban? Except that I was on the committee.
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Nobody is crying. I'm just curious about why the ban times are completely different for the same offence. Going from 64 to 1024, both first offence distributers. Both gave themself in. Xanex gave it to 3 people, how many did Rick give it to?
Kevin gave a link to an aimbot to like 3 people and never used it. Rick Modified maps and distributed/used them.
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Cusoman didn't get banned for distributing guys. He got banned for hacking. If any of you guys want to give the committee solid evidence of him distributing, go ahead and he will get a 1024 days ban.
Distributing hacks/hack metods equals a 1024 days ban. Period.
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Cusoman didn't get banned for distributing guys. He got banned for hacking. If any of you guys want to give the committee solid evidence of him distributing, go ahead and he will get a 1024 days ban.
Distributing hacks/hack metods equals a 1024 days ban. Period.
So your saying XaneX should get 1024 as well? This whole 1024 came around cos Rick was on the committee, which shouldn't add like maybe 2 years to the ban. Also about Cuso, he created his hacks or whatever as well....
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So your saying XaneX should get 1024 as well? This whole 1024 came around cos Rick was on the committee, which shouldn't add like maybe 2 years to the ban. Also about Cuso, he created his hacks or whatever as well....
Hmm, no. He's getting 1024 because thats what the other distributors got. He was on the committee wich sort counter balances with the fact that he gave himself up.
Who's Xanex?
Doesn't really matter if he created them as long as he didn't distribute in my opinion.
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Yeh so it counter balances it. He did the same as XaneX, but created a couple of his own modded maps which should add a little more time and got 1024.
http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=13980.0
You posted in it...
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why did my homeboy darkness get banned for a million days for distributing
i mean the only map he did was airtime anyway and i kno a lot of ppl still use airtime hacked and most of the ppl who got banned for modded maps had airtime only
jitspoe obviously doesnt have a scanner for modified maps
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jitspoe obviously doesnt have a scanner for modified maps
Way to finally realize this.
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Way to finally realize this.
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IDEA! lol
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why did my homeboy darkness get banned for a million days for distributing
i mean the only map he did was airtime anyway and i kno a lot of ppl still use airtime hacked and most of the ppl who got banned for modded maps had airtime only
jitspoe obviously doesnt have a scanner for modified maps
You ˝homoboy˝ Darkness got it also for the sake of community = 1 idiot less. And I hope I'm not joking with that statement.
And for the 2nd thing if you know that alot of people still usess Darkness Atime mod map why don't you say who those people are. Or your plan is also: OMGZ I WON'T TELL YOU, THE PEOPLE I KNOW ONLY UNDER THEIR FAKE NAMES ON INTERNET WILL GET MAD ON ME GEEZZZZ.
Either back up your statemnt or don't post it.
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Yeh so it counter balances it. He did the same as XaneX, but created a couple of his own modded maps which should add a little more time and got 1024.
http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=13980.0
You posted in it...
He should have been banned for 512 since he didnt created. Altough the case was different he still distributed.
Rick should get 1024. 1024 plus x for being on the committee IMO. 1024 + x - x for admiting.
Go tell your moms you're lerning maths now kids. They may let you play till 10 pm.
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Go tell your moms you're lerning maths now kids. They may let you play till 10 pm.
I wish man. my mom has a leash around me. :'( but to keep this post related to rick... what modded maps did he add?? and what maps should we be suspicious of hacking?
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I wish man. my mom has a leash around me. :'( but to keep this post related to rick... what modded maps did he add?? and what maps should we be suspicious of hacking?
I can modify any map.
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may i ask you why you would do this? did you intentionally want to sabotage the game or did you need the advantage??
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Probably just got bored.
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may i ask you why you would do this? did you intentionally want to sabotage the game or did you need the advantage??
I was initially going to quit this game, so I hacked. Then I liked the game so i stopped and admitted to hacking and distributing.
Probably just got bored.
Pretty much.
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It was a rotten thing to do. I hope you told them everybody you gave them to.
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I agree with my ban time, just shouldn't it be done with everyone else to?
Trying to get other people's ban times increased to make it "fair" seems to me as just revenge for your ban time.
Never the less, complaining about other peoples ban times is stupid. If something wrong was done with different ban times, then I think the committee or Jitspoe would fix it or at least notice it. See you in 3 years, let the committee handle this. Not really a need to keep this going, since your ban time won't be changed.
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Trying to get other people's ban times increased to make it "fair" seems to me as just revenge for your ban time.
Never the less, complaining about other peoples ban times is stupid. If something wrong was done with different ban times, then I think the committee or Jitspoe would fix it or at least notice it. See you in 3 years, let the committee handle this. Not really a need to keep this going, since your ban time won't be changed.
I was comparing my bantime with others, so I could see why my ban is so long. I've said that I deserve this ban time, not trying to get it shortened, morely trying to get even ban times for everyone.
Also you really don't know what the committee is like, I've actually seen how it works and how half the committee follows 1 person, not making their own decision. Not trying to say thats the reason my ban time is so hefty, just seeing what reaction you will give me.
It was a rotten thing to do. I hope you told them everybody you gave them to.
Yes, I admitted to everything, including who I gave them to.
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*claps* for MyeRs :D
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*claps* for MyeRs :D
He only got 1 from me, he got the rest from someone else.
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Goodbye and good riddance.
As for consistency, why not be like punkbuster and ban them permanently? Would make the whole issue of voting on time irrelevant and actually create a fear for hackers.
Rick is only upset because his ban is as near permanent as it gets. Probably thought he would get some petty penalty like the others.
Now look who's laughing.
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Goodbye and good riddance.
As for consistency, why not be like punkbuster and ban them permanently? Would make the whole issue of voting on time irrelevant and actually create a fear for hackers.
Rick is only upset because his ban is as near permanent as it gets. Probably thought he would get some petty penalty like the others.
Now look who's laughing.
Who laughed and when?
STRAIGHTEST SHOOTER IN DEEPEE
I laughed at that. Was that what you meant Fitz?
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Goodbye and good riddance.
As for consistency, why not be like punkbuster and ban them permanently?
Fitz if this were the case, half your clan would be permabanned. Don't remember this input when your clanmates were being banned.
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I still firmly believe that Rick should have a decreased ban time since he was a positive force in the community for a very long time. There is a distinct difference between Rick and Madman or Darkness.
-Cusoman
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Fitz if this were the case, half your clan would be permabanned. Don't remember this input when your clanmates were being banned.
You must be looking at the wrong clan list. Out of our current clan list. Maybe 3 will be perma banned.
Back on topic. Rick accepts his ban, and hes always been a cool dude.
I agree that no matter what, if you commit the same crime you should get the same ban time, or at least similar times. Its a pretty big gap between 64 and 1024.
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STRAIGHTEST SHOOTER IN DEEPEE
Not only is that off topic, I take that as a personal flame. A 2 day ban is warranted I believe in regards to consistency.
Fitz if this were the case, half your clan would be permabanned. Don't remember this input when your clanmates were being banned.
Half of my clan? The only former hacker in our clan that is currently in the clan is Homing, and he hardly plays. He was banned whilst he was IN the clan. As for the rest, I believe pro messed around with some as did Nahlij. That is far from half of our clan.
They would not have hacked, however, if the ban penalty was permanent and I'm sure Rick wouldn't have either.
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I have a few serious thoughts that I have discussed with some community/committee members. I hope I am not over stepping my bounds with this post.
We all agree he needs a ban. However, Rick came forward in order to take a ban and play legit. This backfired on Rick as he was not expecting a 1024 day ban. A 256 day ban is the max the committee could expect anyone to actually wait to play. Either they will evade, or leave the game. I am in no way saying this is what Rick plans to do, I am stating what many would do with a hefty ban.
What I propose is a reduced ban of 128 with a community service. This community service could include making models for jits, finishing abandoned maps, etc, which Rick has the skill to do. Like a real crime and punishment scenario, there are ways to cut down prison time for cooperation. Use that model for his ban and I think this may be a reasonable compromise. The community is obviously on both sides of the ban. There are some who agree with the ban time and some voicing support for a lowered ban time. This is apparent in the 4 page thread in 2-3 days.
I find the proposed suggestion of reduced time for community service very reasonable. Four months is a long time to wait and a lot of free time to contribute to the game in a positive way. I don't see how anyone can claim they want the game to thrive and still want a capable and willing member to leave the game forever, instead of taking a substantial punishment and making a substantial contribution to the game.
I would hope the direction of the thread would change at this point, to a more constructive thread.
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Fitz is the straightest shooter in DP, listen to him henrod.
User was banned for this post.
Tired of deleting your off-topic posts. I think you need a vacation.
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I have a few serious thoughts that I have discussed with some community/committee members. I hope I am not over stepping my bounds with this post.
We all agree he needs a ban. However, Rick came forward in order to take a ban and play legit. This backfired on Rick as he was not expecting a 1024 day ban. A 256 day ban is the max the committee could expect anyone to actually wait to play. Either they will evade, or leave the game. I am in no way saying this is what Rick plans to do, I am stating what many would do with a hefty ban.
What I propose is a reduced ban of 128 with a community service. This community service could include making models for jits, finishing abandoned maps, etc, which Rick has the skill to do. Like a real crime and punishment scenario, there are ways to cut down prison time for cooperation. Use that model for his ban and I think this may be a reasonable compromise. The community is obviously on both sides of the ban. There are some who agree with the ban time and some voicing support for a lowered ban time. This is apparent in the 4 page thread in 2-3 days.
I find the proposed suggestion of reduced time for community service very reasonable. Four months is a long time to wait and a lot of free time to contribute to the game in a positive way. I don't see how anyone can claim they want the game to thrive and still want a capable and willing member to leave the game forever, instead of taking a substantial punishment and making a substantial contribution to the game.
I would hope the direction of the thread would change at this point, to a more constructive thread.
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We all agree he needs a ban. However, Rick came forward in order to take a ban and play legit. This backfired on Rick as he was not expecting a 1024 day ban. A 256 day ban is the max the committee could expect anyone to actually wait to play. Either they will evade, or leave the game. I am in no way saying this is what Rick plans to do, I am stating what many would do with a hefty ban.
What I propose is a reduced ban of 128 with a community service. This community service could include making models for jits, finishing abandoned maps, etc, which Rick has the skill to do. Like a real crime and punishment scenario, there are ways to cut down prison time for cooperation. Use that model for his ban and I think this may be a reasonable compromise. The community is obviously on both sides of the ban. There are some who agree with the ban time and some voicing support for a lowered ban time. This is apparent in the 4 page thread in 2-3 days.
That is actually quite a good idea for the individuals who are able to do so; it kind of follows the "turning in your hacks" reward I guess. The only drawback is that many individuals (including myself) do not know how to use BSP or anything that could seriously contribute to the DP community. There would have to be some sort of comprehensive contract that individuals could look at to see how to reduce their ban time. Something for the mappers and something for the normal individuals.
I find the proposed suggestion of reduced time for community service very reasonable. Four months is a long time to wait and a lot of free time to contribute to the game in a positive way. I don't see how anyone can claim they want the game to thrive and still want a capable and willing member to leave the game forever, instead of taking a substantial punishment and making a substantial contribution to the game.
In regards to this, I suppose it's based on the individual at hand. There are certainly some individuals that the community does not need; whereas there are some individuals that the community benefits from.
However, a community of "hackers" may not necessarily be desired by some...
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In regards to this, I suppose it's based on the individual at hand. There are certainly some individuals that the community does not need; whereas there are some individuals that the community benefits from.
However, a community of "hackers" may not necessarily be desired by some...
I agree Fitz. I wouldn't see this kind of "plea bargain" being extended to someone who distributed to anyone willing to click a link on a website. That is definitely not the case here. It is pretty obvious by the tone of half the posts in this thread that Rick is valued by many in the community. I'm sure his coming forward, cooperation with the committee, and previous contributions to the community make him a prime candidate for this. If it pleased the committee.
I might add that, anyone who spends four months unable to play while contributing to the game obviously wants to play again. I would assume the likelyhood of a repeat offence would be nill. That is, unless the offender is a glutton for punishment. Also, the one of the main goals in the community service is to strengthen the member's respect for the community. By investing one's self into a community, his bond with the community is strengthened.
close it. enough spammed
Do you really consider the last few posts spam?
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We can't give someone a lower ban just because we like him. That wouldn't be fair. And he was actually expecting a 1024 days ban, so it's not like he didn't knew what he could get when he did it.
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We can't give someone a lower ban just because we like him.
He deserves a lower ban.
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We can't give someone a lower ban just because we like him. That wouldn't be fair. And he was actually expecting a 1024 days ban, so it's not like he didn't knew what he could get when he did it.
its not that. We just think it is very unfair that he gets 1024 days and when XaneX get 64 when he confessed.Just So weird
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If it were up to me, and a few others, I'd give anyone caught a permanent vacation.
Period.
No questions asked.
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If it were up to me, and a few others, I'd give anyone caught a permanent vacation.
Period.
No questions asked.
QFT
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If it were up to me, and a few others, I'd give anyone caught a permanent vacation.
Period.
No questions asked.
+1
What is the point of banning anyone if you can not stay firm, fair and consistent? This is something that is beaten into every leo's head. Without consistency any rule is pointless. When my kids do something bad they will continue to do it if I just ask them nicely to stop. If I raise my voice they would think twice about it, weigh the consequences and do it anyway. If I light their butts up with a belt, they will be too afraid to do it again. We should use this same approach. You hack. Perm ban. Simple. No drama required. I would go as far as ban them from these forums as well. At least a cool down period. Ah well. This whole hacking sensation is quite funny. This game would be better off without some of these players anyway. Why the community puts up with the rudeness and then allows these folks to get away with hacking is beyond me. If they hacked, got away with it for a long time, got caught and serve little time then they will eventually find another way to bypass detection for awhile.
This community needs to grow some bawlz!!!
*I am well aware I might get a vacation for this one. At least it isn't hacking.*
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/me doesn't see a darn thing wrong with your post.
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Cool. I recently started drinking beer again after about a 7/8 year vacation. Needless to say I wasn't sure if I would get carried away in my state. Look at it as apologizing in advance.
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I'd say at least give them a normal ban and if they evade hit them up with some perm action.
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Just think how many of the great players of dp would be banned if you guys had always permanently banned hackers.
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Just think how many of the great players of dp would be banned if you guys had always permanently banned hackers.
the entire active community
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Just think how many of the great players of dp would be banned if you guys had always permanently banned hackers.
Sorry but that doesn't matter. Ban them all.
And skitzo, the entire active community does not ban. Unless you have actual proof, I suggest you hush.
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I'd say at least give them a normal ban and if they evade hit them up with some perm action.
+1 or make it a warning kinda system where firs ban is a warning, 2nd ban is perm
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And skitzo, the entire active community does not ban. Unless you have actual proof, I suggest you hush.
Pretty sure most of the active people that actually use IRC and such and match actively have admitted to modding content or hacking at least once in their DP career.
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Pretty sure most of the active people that actually use IRC and such and match actively have admitted to modding content or hacking at least once in their DP career.
Proof please?
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The expired bans. Plus the current bans. Plus the few not caught yet *impactz*. And the expired bans is only since like 06 or something isn't it? So there could be a few others to that. I think that's alot of the community.
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Pretty sure most of the active people that actually use IRC and such and match actively have admitted to modding content or hacking at least once in their DP career.
Fortunately that's not true. I know many people in IRC who never hacked. But that doesn't really matter since the question should be: Would all these people hack if the bans were permanent?
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I really don't feel like going through the threads quoting everyone that has admitted, but I'll admit myself that i had a name and number on the back of my jerseys when i started out.
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I for one am proud to say that I have never hacked this game in anyway. For those saying everybody that uses mirc has hacked before idk wht u guys are talking about.
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Fortunately that's not true. I know many people in IRC who never hacked. But that doesn't really matter since the question should be: Would all these people hack if the bans were permanent?
Exactly.
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Fortunately that's not true. I know many people in IRC who never hacked. But that doesn't really matter since the question should be: Would all these people hack if the bans were permanent?
Well it would certainly cut down... or people would find better ways to cover up their hacks.
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I for one am proud to say that I have never hacked this game in anyway. For those saying everybody that uses mirc has hacked before idk wht u guys are talking about.
Thank you skeet. Not all of us in irc hack. A number of us are proud that we play as well as we do without having to mod content. I am not the greatest nor do I pretend to be but.....
Now I get to look back and remember all the "great" players that talked crap to all the new people starting out and laugh as they patiently wait for their ban to expire. laf.
the entire active community
Sorry. But this community will not die because the idiots are banned. If anything it will invite more players who are tired of the other games that are filled with hacks. If the "community" is dependent on hackers then what does that say about this game in general? I guess that is why there are certain people that stick together and have a good time playing pick up games amongst ourselves. Maybe we don't count as part of the community. Maybe more of the legit players will start showing up on the forums and in irc if you give them a reason to think that this community is more than a bunch of players using modded content.
Fortunately that's not true. I know many people in IRC who never hacked. But that doesn't really matter since the question should be: Would all these people hack if the bans were permanent?
I'm pretty sure I said this before but I will use an example here to drive this point home. If your dog started excrementting on your bedroom floor and you cleaned it up, let him out just to have him come back in 2 hours later and he immediatly excrements on your floor again. If this started to become a habit would you continue to tell him he is such a bad little puppy and let him out side again? Would you start beating his ass to drive the point home? What if you couldn't get him to stop no matter what you did? Would you just give up and let him excrement all over? Would you throw his ass out or send him to the shelter? In short if you continue to treat these wittle bitty puppies with a pat on the nose every time they excrement on OUR floor then they will continue to do it. I say send them to the shelter with a slit throat.
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If your dog started excrementting on your bedroom floor and you cleaned it up, let him out just to have him come back in 2 hours later and he immediatly excrements on your floor again. If this started to become a habit would you continue to tell him he is such a bad little puppy and let him out side again? Would you start beating his ass to drive the point home? What if you couldn't get him to stop no matter what you did? Would you just give up and let him excrement all over? Would you throw his ass out or send him to the shelter? In short if you continue to treat these wittle bitty puppies with a pat on the nose every time they excrement on OUR floor then they will continue to do it. I say send them to the shelter with a slit throat.
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