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Fairness Enforcement => Cheater Reports and Bans => Topic started by: jitspoe on February 19, 2010, 08:50:51 PM
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Names used:
Streem'
InDaSTriAL'
Streem
IP: 81.25.21.1 = gw.comfeel.cz
DPLogin ID: 102181
64 day ban unless he comes clean.
Edit: Breaking these into separate threads, since they're different people.
ReXi: http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=20045
D-Fish: http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=20047
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Streem and ReXi are brothers, idk who's D-fish.
Anyway, what cheat was that?
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Streem has also multiaccount but i cant find it.. he had name MASTERCHIEF, maybe its D-Fish
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streem =masterchief it is same name..and d-fish is our friend from the same city
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streem =masterchief it is same name..and d-fish is our friend from the same city
Did you play on his computer?
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They have two computers
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What?
To je to, co dostanete, když používáte překladatel pro vás.
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What?
To je to, co dostanete, když používáte překladatel pro vás.
:D
Bem, você tinha got it.
It seems like they're not the same person..
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http://www.dplogin.com/index.php?action=viewmember&playerid=102181 ...here can not remember your email and password
http://www.dplogin.com/index.php?action=viewmember&playerid=29942 ...This is my :))
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Committee: http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=20937.0
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16 days for admitting + previous ban offense: http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=20019.0
Profile for esobi ||Player ID: 100835
Names registered: esobi
Profile for .e.hm?^Streem ||Player ID: 29942
Names registered: streem, clk, scank, screamoo, skateordie, zaja, chcito
Active Clan: eHmm?
Former Clans: ^NiaGara^, THE BEST MASTERS, DeVoXis, Fasten You Seatbelts , oXmoZe, Sex On The Beach, Red ready team, #Via[X]team, Overpowered, .uToX.
Real Name: Jakub
Profile for critik ||Player ID: 102181
Names registered: surprise, critik
Former Clans: OpTimiZeD, THE BEST MASTERS, TaXius Gaming, only Czech, AmaZinG, Clan Finest, ImaZinG, Czech Team, oWneX, Fear Without End, GraPhic, NeVerlAnD, FraG Team, noxius gaming, eStar Team, Czech Gaming, Bara a Zbyna, Fear without end/Trainee's, ParaNoia Squad, Legalized, Team Crux, InDuSTriAL Team, Czech Players, For Flag Outrunners, Legends Team, NobleXity Beta, Clan -v2s., Original team, Team c2o, #Via[X]team
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I'm going to merge these.
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WTF ??? Reason: Cheat/mod detected, Multiple accounts ....I Had no cheats ! This ban is not correct.
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WTF ??? Reason: Cheat/mod detected, Multiple accounts ....I Had no cheats ! This ban is not correct.
ItsEZREALasitGets. Welcome to the club ;)
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WTF ??? Reason: Cheat/mod detected, Multiple accounts ....I Had no cheats ! This ban is not correct.
Dude this was 3+ years ago...
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WTF ??? Reason: Cheat/mod detected, Multiple accounts ....I Had no cheats ! This ban is not correct.
Probably screenshot detection I would hint you. Another thing that might have been detected is antiwallhack jitspoe implemented due to my PoC wallhack (in b40).
Just remember jitspoe usually has no real proof that you were cheating, only anticheat crying that something was not ok (without actually dumping any kind of confirmation). Therefore he doesn't care if you were cheating, because he could not check it anyways.
#weneedPAC
Btw. Seems like jitspoe forgot to put ban information on forum.
Dude this was 3+ years ago...
Check GBL page, sir.
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My first ban was correct .. the other day i deleted the WH from PC ..So I don't know why. I have everything in order.
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My first ban was correct .. the other day i deleted the WH from PC ..So I don't know why. I have everything in order.
Probably it's same story as with me: I got banned, then time passed and I got unbanned, but jitspoe decided I was banned for too short so he banned me again with doubled time. True story.
Don't worry, Streem, cya in 2017.
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l0l, u got banned?
l0l, u posting excrement?
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I got banned, then time passed and I got unbanned, but jitspoe decided I was banned for too short so he banned me again with doubled time.
that's probably why old people always say "everything used to be better"
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Btw. Seems like jitspoe forgot to put ban information on forum.
Nah jitspoe didn't forget. He did the same thing with my ban as well. He knew I would turn that thread into troll/flame thread :P.My first ban was correct .. the other day i deleted the WH from PC ..So I don't know why. I have everything in order.
Take it up with Jitspoe. Don't do what I did and flame/troll everyone that posts in this thread and multi-post like crazy. It won't help l0l.
that's probably why old people always say "everything used to be better"
l0l. LOL. I lol'd pretty hard on that. Old is Gold. Haha
#PACFOETHEEWIN
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You never responded to my emails.
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Awwww SPAM (hint: jitspoe deleted my post).
LOL I'm dumb, forgot to send post! Sorry jitspoe to accuse you.
True post:
Nah jitspoe didn't forget. He did the same thing with my ban as well. He knew I would turn that thread into troll/flame thread :P.
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#PACFOETHEEWIN
Oh, maybe thats why I'm not banned lol. It would be ultimate troll thread.
l0l payl, u can only lick my real excrement.
They see me rollin', they hatin'.
You never responded to my emails.
I'm astonished jitspoe you are able to tell if somebody wrote to you, I thought your mail responding was just pure random.
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You never responded to my emails.
Not sticking up for this guy but the email I signed up with I never use. I think it would be easier to pm someone on the forums instead of emailing people. I personally hate email and only use it for work. I'd say a majority of the people who play this game don't use the email they used to sign up with.
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Next time, maybe inform the committee. Streem is in our clan and it would be easy to get in contact with him.
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Or post to this thread, at all. Maybe an informative post like "Streem read your email" here would be nice (people who know streem, would tell him to do it, even if he didnt read it here). Relying on only one mean of communication is a plan to fail to communicate with that person.
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When people download a new video game and make their first account, they often don't expect to stick around for years. So, they use random-throwaway emails. It's pretty rare that someone uses an email they actually check for a video game... I only check my university email, and I'd never use that for a video game.
What's the point of a committee member if you'd rush into a ban because of the person not responding to emails? Email is a first means of contact, sure, but when that isn't responded to it shouldn't result in a ban - it should result in another means. I'm assuming this ban is textures as "he didn't respond to emails" - where the email was likely a warning to change textures. But if the message never gets across, it's unfair to ban. (This is completely wrong if it was an actual cheat, but if that was the case I don't understand how emailing is relevant).
But anyways, committee has better ties with the community and should be used as such. Otherwise they really have no use. They are your means of contacting and communicating with members of the community to solve issues. They're just an extension of what you don't have the time/ties to do. So, use them as such.
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When people download a new video game and make their first account, they often don't expect to stick around for years. So, they use random-throwaway emails. It's pretty rare that someone uses an email they actually check for a video game... I only check my university email, and I'd never use that for a video game.
I usually troll jitspoe, but this time I have to take his side:
I have same email as registered, also jitspoe probably knows my mail, but I can reply on PM too (except for one on account payl).
I do see people wouldn't use real mail in their profiles, but we can't expect jitspoe to keep searching people that won't answer. He probably just haven't thought of asking committee to help and banned him since he wasn't answering.
I wouldn't see not seeing mails as excuse to get to "other means". If you register, you might expect that someone wants to contact you, let it be admin, if you fail to answer to it, you get consequences.
I think jitspoe made right decision, basing on what he knew. Otherwise he couldn't ban anyone who simply rejects to reply to email/PM. If you fail to receive mail sent to address you gave, you take consequences.
You have to remember that jitspoe isn't one who has to contact people before banning, he just wanted to warn him. Since he didn't listen, he was banned. I think this was right decision in spite of knowing he haven't heard it. You failed to provide correct e-mail address, you take consequences, no matter how many people do it or what other means of communications there were. Jitspoe doesn't need to inform you in any way, but he does, yet you fail to receive.
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Or post to this thread, at all. Maybe an informative post like "Streem read your email" here would be nice (people who know streem, would tell him to do it, even if he didnt read it here). Relying on only one mean of communication is a plan to fail to communicate with that person.
i really dont want to see streem banned, but just to defend jitspoe.. i think he already opened a topic about players with dead email addresses.
But anyways, committee has better ties with the community and should be used as such. Otherwise they really have no use. They are your means of contacting and communicating with members of the community to solve issues. They're just an extension of what you don't have the time/ties to do. So, use them as such.
yeah, i totally agree.
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Just to clarify:
Streem was detected using cheats and/or unfair modifications. I sent him a warning email to multiple email addresses he had registered/listed on his profile to give him a fair chance to correct this. The emails did not bounce, implying the email addresses were not dead. He was detected again later and he was banned.
It's not really that complicated, and it didn't seem like there was a reason to involve the committee. I'm pretty sure he understands why he's banned.
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I don't disagree on banning him just think email isn't the best way of contacting people for a video game.
The only thing I disagree with alot is 1024 days. People are getting banned the same for a cheat as if they distributed it.
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The only thing I disagree with alot is 1024 days. People are getting banned the same for a cheat as if they distributed it.
Sorry, but I'm an english nub.
Does that mean you think the ban is too long or too short?
Thanks :).
Google translator put out some excrement.
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I don't disagree on banning him just think email isn't the best way of contacting people for a video game.
The only thing I disagree with alot is 1024 days. People are getting banned the same for a cheat as if they distributed it.
I don't agree on first one: It's jitspoes choice how and if he wants to contact them. There always be some problem contacting, for example: If you PM payl -> I most likely will not find out, if you PM not_payl_obviously it will take me some extra time (since notifications wont reach me), and if you use my email (that is registered on my GLS account) I will have messages in about 5 minutes.
Email is standard way to reach people on internet, it's not jitspoes fault people doesn't check their inbox or they enter incorrect email.
But I do agree on second thing: I hate that everyone gets banned "as jitspoe feels" now. You can get banned for wh for 32days and for speedhack for 1024days. I think it's related to jitspoe having enough of dealing with cheaters, but IMO he doesn't do much to fix it (PAC being example here, albeit bit outdated).
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I'd like to take jitspoes side. I usually bash him(I luv u) but this time(like most) is not his fault. Streem deserved the ban he got. IMO I don't care if he even used illegal textures, the fact that he was using them is a good enough for a ban. Also the FACT that jitspoe actually SENT him a email (I'm pretty sure jitspoe isn't stupid enough to not send him a PM like he just clarified below which he DID so) is pretty merciful. Also, if your not going to log on forums for months and not use the EMAIL that you registered your account for, shows your not willing to communicate with others in the game. I get the fact that people make a random email to register their accounts with, but you have the ability to change it. Once someone knows they like a game and will stick around( heck even create a forums acc), then I believe that person SHOULD of changed their email to something that they would check idk like every month.
LOL funny thing was that I msg jitspoe on irc as a joke saying "you banned streem for not responding to your emails?! That's cruel..." And people here are being serious about it LOL!
Just to clarify:
Streem was detected using cheats and/or unfair modifications. I sent him a warning email to multiple email addresses he had registered/listed on his profile to give him a fair chance to correct this. The emails did not bounce, implying the email addresses were not dead. He was detected again later and he was banned.
It's not really that complicated, and it didn't seem like there was a reason to involve the committee. I'm pretty sure he understands why he's banned.
/GG solo'd.
@Streem tell jitspoe I don't understand why I'm banned. Its pretty funny :P (DON'T try it lol.....unless you wanna get bodied by jitspoe hard.)
@MyeRs- You back?! Welcome back sexy thang.(No homo) I know you came back for me.
Was about to post this, as a joke obvsly(inside):
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Not trying to take the defense here, because as you said, he got banned for reason. Still i would like to see whats happening, not just in banlist, also in forum. When you ban someone, make post and tell us that it has happened (not because i want to, but because you did it with everyone else). The way you actually did the ban this time seemed like you woke up one day and was like "hmm whom i didnt ban enough this year, oh yea, streem!" Boom, ban for 1024 days.
And thats why there is so much commotion about it :p
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Not trying to take the defense here, because as you said, he got banned for reason. Still i would like to see whats happening, not just in banlist, also in forum. When you ban someone, make post and tell us that it has happened (not because i want to, but because you did it with everyone else). The way you actually did the ban this time seemed like you woke up one day and was like "hmm whom i didnt ban enough this year, oh yea, streem!" Boom, ban for 1024 days.
And thats why there is so much commotion about it :p
Not really how it works. Cheat detection is a complete sector of it self. (What I think) jitspoe can prolong it, but eventually a ban has to be made. And also, when I was banned too that's how I got banned there was no info that was posted on the forums. Read what I said earlier.
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Sorry, but I'm an english nub.
Does that mean you think the ban is too long or too short?
Thanks :).
Google translator put out some excrement.
2long.
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1. At least Jitspoe TRIED to contact Streem, he could've just banned him straight up.
2. Streem's ban can be reduced.
3. Streem did something against the rules.
Not sticking up for this guy but the email I signed up with I never use.
How is that Jitspoe's fault? It was your choice.
I don't disagree on banning him just think email isn't the best way of contacting people for a video game.
The only thing I disagree with alot is 1024 days. People are getting banned the same for a cheat as if they distributed it.
Besides going through the Committee, what would you suggest? Signing up with personal phone numbers?
The 1024 day ban can be reduced by simply admitting and providing the modified content or w.e to Jitspoe, or has this been changed?
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Besides going through the Committee, what would you suggest? Signing up with personal phone numbers?
Signing up with postal/zip codes and mail box numbers.
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E-mail ...zajic30 can not be used...My really e-mail is klostere@seznam.cz.. really i don't know..WHY.. I don't have anything against the rules...
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E-mail ...zajic30 can not be used...My really e-mail is klostere@seznam.cz.. really i don't know..WHY.. I don't have anything against the rules...
If you haven't used cheats, you've most likely used illegal textures. If you upload a picture of pp1 or some other mainstream map, without changing the textures of course, we will be able to tell you what's up.
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If you haven't used cheats, you've most likely used illegal textures. If you upload a picture of pp1 or some other mainstream map, without changing the textures of course, we will be able to tell you what's up.
or just contact Jitspoe, he can tell you for sure :P
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or just contact Jitspoe, he can tell you for sure :P
I must be off my game, haha. I didn't think Jitspoe ever revealed what was detected/caught to the cheater.
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I must be off my game, haha. I didn't think Jitspoe ever revealed what was detected/caught to the cheater.
I'm not sure either, but if he already warned him before, he might be willing to explain it at least in private.
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Just slap him with 1024 days ban? Firstly I think it's too freakin long
Umm ok. 1024 day ban is long indeed. But guess what, its a new law in this game. Law is absolute. Once a law is in place it is placed on every indivduals, no one is excluded. I served more then a year when I got banned for using the meddling wall hacks. I didn't distrabute, dystro had placed bunch of fake logs against me and my brother. Everyone knew that. I served like idk a year worth of ban and people saying "ohh don't worry you will be unbanned" and more bullexcrement like "ohh this ban is just so jitspoe can sort things out". Technically in those times jitspoe hadn't created this new system of 1024 day bans and I served a year with out playng, later evaded but still trying to get myself unbanned, even though technically I was suppose to serve at most 100 days( ill be generous 150 days). Haha than people see what I did recently as something "unacceptable". Idc now honsetly speaking(typing?). What I have learned from the past is that if your willing to hack; then be willing to serve time. It doesn't matter how long it is. It doesn't mean I agree with the 1024 day baning I think its suppose to be 1337 days(jk). Streem has the ability to reduce his ban, although jitspoe hasn't stated this yet but most likely does have this gift. The faster he is able to communicate and cooperate with jitspoe the faster he will get his time reduced.
I can bet you can do some better anticheat then this one. Anticheat which can separate banning people cuz he used modif...content or wh/aim etc. like punkbuster in COD.
The anti-cheat works properly. He was banned for modification. End of story. Not texture packs. The fact that jitspoe contacted him for it is pretty mercifull. Don't question the anti-cheat; its become a very solid detection system. Its a work of 10 years. And is still being worked on. People need to understand that. Let this thread be left alone to jitspoe and streem. Trust me on this, but I can tell you this with very ease that jitspoe knows exactly what he had used. Now shh.
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I used original pack. Just one week. I used Sunman pack. But it is long..
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I used original pack. Just one week. I used Sunman pack. But it is long..
Well sunmans are banable didn't aveiro set that example?
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I used original pack. Just one week. I used Sunman pack. But it is long..
The following post confirms that's not the reason you are banned, or you are not telling the entire truth about it. Get in touch with Jitspoe, publicly discussing this will not help you in your situation.
Just to clarify:
Streem was detected using cheats and/or unfair modifications. I sent him a warning email to multiple email addresses he had registered/listed on his profile to give him a fair chance to correct this. The emails did not bounce, implying the email addresses were not dead. He was detected again later and he was banned.
It's not really that complicated, and it didn't seem like there was a reason to involve the committee. I'm pretty sure he understands why he's banned.
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2 things,
1) I think the community should get to know what people get banned for. I understand why we don't - because if the person doesn't know what was detected they could give in things that they weren't detected on - but after 'x' days the chance should be gone, and the community should be able to know what exactly the person used. Cheat/Mod is very vague, and could mean many different things.
2) If it's a cheat - than sure he should know it's his fault. If it's textures, than it's very subjective. I know for myself, I likely would be banned right now but you forum messaged me to change my email - then informed me that the textures I was using are no longer legal (sunmans). But, if you only did this through email, and did not forum message me, I would have never checked, and likely got banned. It hasn't been made 100% which textures are legal/notlegal, and it's a subjective matter - but your pack hasn't been finished completely yet to be able to say everyone MUST use it. I think it's only really clear to english-speaking regular forum users that your textures are really the only legal ones, and other ones (which can be downloaded from forums....) are NOT legal.
The fact that many people have downloaded sunman's textures from this forum probably made them assume it's legal. So they never questioned their textures. Why would something bannable be on the forum of the game?
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That being said, this is all speculation on it being a slight-texture issue, something that would not have been bannable a year ago. But, I could be completely mistaken.
Anyways, I personally think if you're going to have a committee, use them for what they can do - communicating with the community. When telling people "change your email" - "check your textures" etc... the committee can easily contact everyone they need. It would have taken the same effort as sending the email - Post in committee thread --> Contact name in regards to his textures --> Someone responds --> Done and proof of contact, if nothing changed then 100% bannable as theres proof he was informed. (THIS ONLY WORKS FOR TEXTURES). Obviously with a real cheat auto-ban is all that's needed.
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E-mail ...zajic30 can not be used...My really e-mail is klostere@seznam.cz.. really i don't know..WHY.. I don't have anything against the rules...
And that was one of the emails I contacted.
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2. I know it's so hard to build anti-cheat like this, but this anti-cheat isn't good. If here will be anti-cheat, which can detect if someone was using textures, another modified content or wallhack, aimbot, etc. separately, then it will be good anticheat. (Maybe textures can be detected by jitspoe via this screenshots sending to jits marked with "x", but I don't understand how can u know through this anticheat for what he was banned, that's bullsht).
As far as I know, Jitspoe knows exactly what you used and when you used it. He's just not publishing this info, to get all the info from the banned player.
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1. I'm too lazy to answer on all of this, but i know, u know, and everyone know that jitspoe will never know for what ppl are banned, maybe sometimes but never thru this anticheat. Tell me how u can know if he used modified content or wallhack with this anti-cheat? Explain it to me.
2. I know it's so hard to build anti-cheat like this, but this anti-cheat isn't good. If here will be anti-cheat, which can detect if someone was using textures, another modified content or wallhack, aimbot, etc. separately, then it will be good anticheat. (Maybe textures can be detected by jitspoe via this screenshots sending to jits marked with "x", but I don't understand how can u know through this anticheat for what he was banned, that's bullsht).
Jitspoe knows what cheat was used, partially because of screenshot system, but anticheat is able to tell him which cheat is which. He just doesn't publish that.
Still it isn't good anticheat, and it isn't that hard to improve it. This was known in 2010 (thanks to opengl wh), we have 2014.
As far as I know, Jitspoe knows exactly what you used and when you used it. He's just not publishing this info, to get all the info from the banned player.
This.
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I was looking on email. I don't have no messages from you.