Digital Paint Discussion Board
Fairness Enforcement => Cheater Reports and Bans => Topic started by: jitspoe on June 10, 2010, 02:22:30 PM
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Names used:
.unpro^
.Ij.Foxhound
Foxhound
IP: 67.240.202.91 = cpe-67-240-202-91.rochester.res.rr.com
DPLogin ID: 5392
First offense?
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Ouch..
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Yeah. Saw this one coming. He out shot everyone in what I consider an allstar game of pgp. Gone for a bit, comes back better. People notice things llike that. Sad though cause he is a nice individual.
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dude... if u only knew. All i can say is that those pgp games were legit, but who is going to believe me any way. Not while my name is on this list. I can send demos if you would like but its not going to help anything. What was detected was fairly recent (within the past 2 days) so it wasn't during those pgp games. The bad news is he caught hacks that I downloaded for CSS (they didn't even work or I'm just to stupid to make them work). Also, I'm suspicious how jitspoe's detection system REALLY works seeing as my dp folder is clean. I PMed him, we'll see what happens.
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He'll respond sooner or later. You're not the only one who got caught with hacks for another game and got banned. it's a sad but common thing. you may not use them for dp but some people do.
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But my thing is, how does his detection system work? he must have done a computer scan of my computer? which I'm sure hes not protected to do by the rights of the game. he has the right to do anything that has to do with paintball. so what he did wasn't exactly "honest" and second, nothing about this ban even makes sense its like I'm being banned as a spoof to try and catch others, as if he is trying to get me to confess to something.
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Jitspoe will probably not give out info on how the cheat detection works. Therefore all we can do is guessing. The only thing I'm pretty sure of is that Jitspoe is not "checking entire PC's", this would be a waste of time.
Furthermore, from what I have learned from my contact with Jitspoe, he is not very keen on banning people (he needs to be 200% sure before deciding to ban someone). Therefore I'm also sure that he's not playing any games with you to make you confess something (Also see the Muff banning thread, where he admits to have been looking into his cheat detection for months after someone doubted the functionality).
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It mustn't have taken that much thought seeing that it only took less then a day to ban me and the fact that it didn't touch the committee. I've got my facts and I'm ready to present them to jitspoe when ever he decides to pm me back.
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Hasn't jitspoe only got access in the C:\Games\Paintball2 folder? If he has, what was CSS hacks doing in your Paintball folder?
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exactly, they weren't, they were in my css folder. he scanned my computer. end of story. his detection system is illegal. I just want to be unbanned and this will all go away or I'm going to keep fighting. Did you know, jitspoe is always getting signals from your computer? And nowhere do I even see CSS variant on any of my ban pages so I'm guessing its just speculation.
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Edited
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BUT I DIDN'T HACK and its bs that hes banning me on speculation. you're right though, putting that publicly that was stupid. which is why i will take that out. but its still true, I don't want him in my computer, its illegal and against my rights! of course he can look at my dp files go right ahead but don't go "scanning" my computer! And im sure im not the only one using peer blocker, it is common knowledgeso why am i singled out?
please take the "tool" name out of your post as well.
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Funny excrement is he can only detect them when you are using them with paintball... And I love reading about how all of you think its illegal. He can't see jack excrement on your computer. He can DETECT if something is modified, or if something DETECTABLE is being used. Once detected, he can tell what it is. He does not have access to the files, he is just able to find out what the file is that is being used as the hack, or modified. Otherwise why would he ask you to submit the hacks? Hes not meddling stupid, unlike yourself. Just wait till you absolutely get stonewalled by him. Happens almost everytime.
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How could he look at my files with peer blocker on?
And its funny how he hasnt asked me for my so called "modded content"
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He cannot look at your files. He DETECTS modified files. If you do not know what that means, I shall explain it to you, but I really cbf'd. Everytime you connect to a global login server, or a server that is on the public list, THEY are connected to the dplogin server, otherwise they wouldn't appear on the serverlist. When you login, you are connected. I honestly dont know how it all works, but I'm sure there is a way there to get information about a modified file around peer blocker...
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Because he's not accessing your computer, your computer is accessing his server. Therefore you can't hide hacks that are modifying the game with any kind of blockers.
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And wait, why are you using peer blocker, trying to hide hacks?
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lol orly? why does theplanet.com come up then? on my peer blocker? (im not hiding that any more i dont care)
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And wait, why are you using peer blocker, trying to hide hacks?
i have always used peer blocker... i dont trust anyone/people like jitspoe that access my stuff.
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No, because he thinks 'Jitspoe cares about spying at everything on his computer'
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lol orly? why does theplanet.com come up then? on my peer blocker? (im not hiding that any more i dont care)
They are a server hoster, probably hosting that server you connected to, so in this case, the uR servers most likely?
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No, because he thinks 'Jitspoe cares about spying at everything on his computer'
hes not spying, hes overstepping his boundaries.
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Why is cameron just accusing? that doesnt help in this conversation, thats off-topic. and what if he doesnt have anything modified what if the peerblocker was detected? becuase u have said many times "Jitspoe does not tell you what you are banned for you have to tell him what you used" so basically if u didnt have hacks for dp but u had peerblocker for your own privacy, he just says oh modded content? ban
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hes not spying, hes overstepping his boundaries.
By detecting anyone who has hacks on his game?
^ Might be Prime, but modifying the access/information that the game gives to DPLogin? Still can be seen as modifying content to the server.
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They are a server hoster, probably hosting that server you connected to, so in this case, the uR servers most likely?
NO any server. thats where all jits detection excrement goes to dur. thats why you can't login with peerblocker on its a packet blocker. it won't send the info to the server so once it's on nothing is getting sent to jits
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By detecting anyone who has hacks on his game?
he was detecting anything that is on my computer and NOT in my dp folder. like ive said, he can go in my dp folder, i get that, he CANNOT go in any others.
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hes not spying, hes overstepping his boundaries.
But how is he overstepping. He can't view jackexcrement on your computer, like I've said the past 2-3 times. He can detect modified files or hacks that are WITHIN the boundaries of his game, and his detection system.
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No, because he thinks 'Jitspoe cares about spying at everything on his computer'
In this post it had nothing to continue this conversation in a positive manner, justinph5 does not know what foxhound thinks and therefore should not be putting words into his mouth. thats insulting and it is an off-topic post. come on now lead by example
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OHHHH excrement. Looks like you agreed to let your computer be scanned. Its in the licence agreement man, and you agreed.
DO NOT CHEAT
Plain and simple. By installing, using, or owning a copy of Paintball2, you agree not to use any cheats or modify the game executable or content in order to gain an unfair advantage while playing against human opponents. Doing so will result in banishment from public servers, disqualification from competitions, and/or legal prosecution. Digital Paint reserves the right to scan your computer for modified game content and known cheat utilities during the operation of Paintball2. While the GPL grants the ability to freely modify the game engine, use of unofficial or modified engines on public servers will likely result in a ban. This is necessary to keep the game fair and cheat-free. You are responsible for other players on your computer and/or network. We will not lift a ban simply because somebody else was cheating on your connection. Digital Paint also reserves the right to generate and store unique identifiers using components of your computer's hardware. This is done using irreversible hashing algorithms. No direct data about your hardware is transferred or stored. This is necessary to hardware-based bans to keep evasive cheaters off of the servers.
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Your blocker, or you, may have tried to turn off a part of detection that is sent to him, but its still modifying access to the game, if that was it, I see how it might have happened, that's why you should email everything to him, then he could test it....
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OHHHH excrement. Looks like you agreed to let your computer be scanned. Its in the licence agreement man, and you agreed.
that just says i cant modify game files, i did nothing of the sort. I added a file, to a folder in which doesnt partain to dp in no way shape or form.
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I'll just leave you to try and wiggle out of it. Also, I'm sure jitspoe wouldn't be happy about people blocking his detection system, so you may be getting banned for that, if thats the case.
Digital Paint reserves the right to scan your computer for modified game content and known cheat utilities during the operation of Paintball2.
Read that, while OPERATING. I'm pretty sure its picked up a hack you were using.
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what else is there to say cam? all is hearsay, untill proof of claim is shown, jitspoe is speculating and he knows it, you just said it yourself. if he's blocking me for blocking his detection, he's taking away my right to privacy which IS a crime.
well i hope that was written by a lawyer,
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it is not against the rules to have a peer-blocker. nowhere in the rules does it say that you can not have a program to protect your privacy. he should not be banned for peer-blocker. He could have peer-blocker for personal reasons and nothing to do with paintball. who says you cant own files to protect yourself from outside threats. i swear next we will be getting banned for norton anti-virus
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You don't get it, do you? I'm pretty sure if I was jitspoe and I had implemented this system to catch hackers, I'd be pretty pissed off if someone tried to block my system. I would ban you for it. I'm not taking your privacy away, I'm taking your ability of connecting to my server which you blocked away, possibly in the aid of you trying to hack undetectable.
Also, he doesn't speculate, he detects. Thats why it says 'detected'.
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Plain and simple. By installing, using, or owning a copy of Paintball2, you agree not to use any cheats or modify the game executable or content in order to gain an unfair advantage while playing against human opponents. Doing so will result in banishment from public servers, disqualification from competitions, and/or legal prosecution. Digital Paint reserves the right to scan your computer for modified game content and known cheat utilities during the operation of Paintball2. While the GPL grants the ability to freely modify the game engine, use of unofficial or modified engines on public servers will likely result in a ban. This is necessary to keep the game fair and cheat-free. You are responsible for other players on your computer and/or network. We will not lift a ban simply because somebody else was cheating on your connection. Digital Paint also reserves the right to generate and store unique identifiers using components of your computer's hardware. This is done using irreversible hashing algorithms. No direct data about your hardware is transferred or stored. This is necessary to hardware-based bans to keep evasive cheaters off of the servers.
What about in-direct data? and peer-blocking isnt modifying anything and is an added file? so his ban should be lifted if thats the case
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so basically your banning off emotion? you dont like our precautions and our measures of keeping our computer safe so you will ban us without trying to talk to us first? this makes great sense!
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if you didn't endorse that agreement its void, you didn't buy the game ie endorse it and you didn't sign excrement, his agreement can't possibly hold up in court. he's over stepping his bounds. the fact that the game is free and open source pretty much screws everything.
and cam what YOU dont get is, I DIDNT HACK DP, i didnt have detectable excrement in my dp folder therefore he didnt DETECT he found. there is a difference. But i know he didnt find anything he's just speculating.
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What about in-direct data? and peer-blocking isnt modifying anything and is an added file? so his ban should be lifted if thats the case
Why would he scan in-direct data? Its useless to him, because its not part of his game. And why should he lift the ban. If you owned the system, you wouldn't want someone evading a ban, or undetectably hacking using this method, if it actually works.
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I dont give a flying intercourse about the ban, i care about my privacy.
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but the thing is, the rules dont say anything about an added open source file like peer-blocking, thats banning for not liking something. so if u dont like me u will ban me? also if he got banned for any CSS hacks, his CSS hacks were not in his dp folder so it should not be detected, any detection of CSS hacks outside his dp folder is against terms of use. besides CSS hacks have nothing to do with dp
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Lets just leave it that, shall we? He emailed jitspoe, jitspoe can settle it. Fox, you agreed to let Paintball 'scan your computer' when you installed it, and it doesn't say what its gonna scan, therefore hes not breaching privacy because you agreed to let him.
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ok cam last post then:
his agreement is not legally binding.
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ok cam last post then:
his agreement is not legally binding.
Ok, my last post.
You agreed to it, so its your problem. There are reasons for these licence agreements.
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he cant scan my whole computer just because i have his game? he can scan his dp folder but not my whole computer thats invasion of privacy
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I have hacks in my Paintball2 folder, pretty much everything yet I still haven't been banned for it.(I don't use them). Even have hacks for Combat Arms and some other games sitting around. I'd really doubt Jitspoe would go to all the trouble of scanning someones computer to find hacks, especially considering there is over 100,000 people that own accounts.
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Foxhound hacked his little heart out. Now acting all lawyer and excrement. Fail!!!
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Let me try to explain this. There are many games out there that you can get hacks/mods w/e you want to call them for. Most of them are programs that install separately from the game folder. Hence creates it's own folder. It is an executable file that runs and connects to other *files* of the game you want to hack. So installing an AA or something similar in a separate folder/directory from paintball still will get picked up since it has to connect to the game server to be used. lol Oh well.
If you didn't hack pb then it is only a matter of time since you no doubt see no problem with hacking other games. Kinda sets the tone to everything. Good luck.
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I dont give a flying intercourse about the ban, i care about my privacy.
God, stop raging and read the thread.
This:
Funny excrement is he can only detect them when you are using them with paintball... And I love reading about how all of you think its illegal. He can't see jack excrement on your computer. He can DETECT if something is modified, or if something DETECTABLE is being used. Once detected, he can tell what it is. He does not have access to the files, he is just able to find out what the file is that is being used as the hack, or modified. Otherwise why would he ask you to submit the hacks? Hes not meddling stupid, unlike yourself. Just wait till you absolutely get stonewalled by him. Happens almost everytime.
This...
He cannot look at your files. He DETECTS modified files. If you do not know what that means, I shall explain it to you, but I really cbf'd. Everytime you connect to a global login server, or a server that is on the public list, THEY are connected to the dplogin server, otherwise they wouldn't appear on the serverlist. When you login, you are connected. I honestly dont know how it all works, but I'm sure there is a way there to get information about a modified file around peer blocker...
And this...
OHHHH excrement. Looks like you agreed to let your computer be scanned. Its in the licence agreement man, and you agreed.
Now wait for the answer on your PM. Raging the forums will only ruin your reputation as soon as Jitspoe publices the details of your ban, and will for sure not get you unbanned ;)
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Sorry to INVADE your PRIVACY "CHRIS123"!!!! Please don't get your "LAWER" to SUE US!! ;)
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Some points:
Firstly, the master server and GLS are hosted on a server jits pays $$$ to keep running at ThePlanet.com - that's why you see stuff going there.
Secondly, the EULA is legally binding - that's why you have to check the box saying you agree before you can install.
Thirdly, to "scan your files" jitspoe would need to check the hashes of hundreds of files against a long list of cheats he'd have to maintain. This simply isn't practical. Currently, the cheat detection scans a changing subset of texture files to make sure they haven't been modified as checking all of them would simply take too long and eat CPU like crazy. Extending this to other files than those related to digitalpaintball would be insane. However, if you had hacks for another game loaded in memory, they might be detected.
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If you didn't hack pb then it is only a matter of time since you no doubt see no problem with hacking other games. Kinda sets the tone to everything. Good luck.
So basically if someone does not hack paintball but hacks lets say urban terror and they have a ratbot that works only for urban terror they will be banned if the cheat detection picks it up? i dont care about what kind of tone u set for urban terror as long as you havent hacked paintball you should not be banned. is that why people get banned? for hacking this game. even owning hacks for a entirely different game means ban in this one? this is unjust
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Sorry to INVADE your PRIVACY "CHRIS123"!!!! Please don't get your "LAWER" to SUE US!! ;)
Stop antagonizing other players and being sarcastic; Your a member of the committee and 2 times now you have been off topic being sarcastic and trying to make another player seem foolish, lead by example; cant their be a temp-ban from the forums for going off topic?
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Prime, we herewith officially install you as our new forum troll. Please keep up the good work, so we might enjoy your ban soon :-*
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Prime, we herewith officially install you as our new forum troll. Please keep up the good work, so we might enjoy your ban soon :-*
ban for what? correcting? its not my job to make sure everyone stays on topic its urs so why are you threatening me? is it because he is in the comittee
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What he's saying is that your posts provide entertainment for people with half a brain. He is also suggesting that since you always defend hackers that you will be next.
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haha banned from game for defending hackers?
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You really don't understand what I'm saying do you? lol. Since you are always defending hackers, he is suggesting that you will be next to hack. Don't know if I can make it clearer.
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Prime24, your reading comprehension sucks. flip meant that if someone has no problems hacking in game A, he won't have any problems hacking in game B either. Which is true.
The reason why people do not want to hack (even if it was allowed), is because that would ruin the game for those that aren't hacking, therefore ruining your fun as well if you cared about anyone else other than yourself that is.
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Actually I meant that raging the forums without willing to read what someone posts (trolling) is annoying and I hope a forum moderator will give him a little vacation to cool down. I have made no assumptions about a possible ban from the game.
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I think primes comments was more on topic then the guy calling him a "troll".
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I think primes comments was more on topic then the guy calling him a "troll".
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I think primes comments was more on topic then the guy calling him a "troll".
Not really, hardly any of the posts in this thread have been on topic so it's hard to say which are 'more on topic' then others. They are just all mostly irrelevant. Foxhound was caught cheating - Foxhound says it's a CSS hack or peerblocker - Foxhound says Jitspoe invaded his privacy and that's illegal - Cameron points out it's not, he has the right to - Again pointed out as well as it was detected so jitspoe obviously knows what it is - randomofftopicexcrement /thread
As previously stated, talk to jitspoe. People speculating in this thread will go nowhere. Prime - NaHLiJ was detected, i'm sure if he asks jitspoe and realizes he wont get his bantime lowered, jitspoe will most likely tell him what he had and the dates of when he used it. If he can't/doesn't then go on about 'THERE WAS NO HACK' kthx. The same thing happened to muff, and the same thing can happen to Foxhound. So, admit to having the hack/content - or talk to jitspoe.
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If you didn't hack pb then it is only a matter of time since you no doubt see no problem with hacking other games. Kinda sets the tone to everything. Good luck.
Exactly.
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Prime24, your reading comprehension sucks. flip meant that if someone has no problems hacking in game A, he won't have any problems hacking in game B either. Which is true.
The reason why people do not want to hack (even if it was allowed), is because that would ruin the game for those that aren't hacking, therefore ruining your fun as well if you cared about anyone else other than yourself that is.
but thats not true, ive played urban terror and mombot or w/e cause i didnt care about the game but dp2 "game B" i do enjoy very much so i would not hack.
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Myers post was actually a good one, imma chill on posting anymore
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The bad news is he caught hacks that I downloaded for CSS
lol wtf. if this is true then it must apply to me cuz i have an aimbot & Wallhacks for both cs1.6 and css. and its funny cuz i downloaded the hacks 2 days before my ban was reinstated.
But as far as the private servers go jitspoe shouldnt have any authority over who plays in them cuz 1. its not connected to global login in anyway and it isnt effecting anyone.
and 2. the servers dont even belong to him. like seriously if i understand correctly from my resources. uR's Private was purchased by vlad specifically for Homingbullet when he was banned so that he was able to play.
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but thats not true, ive played urban terror and mombot or w/e cause i didnt care about the game but dp2 "game B" i do enjoy very much so i would not hack.
There will come a time when you will stop caring about paintball2 too. What you just said indicates that you will hack once that happens, or are very likely to hack. The point wasn't about respecting a game, but respecting other people.
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lol wtf. if this is true then it must apply to me cuz i have an aimbot & Wallhacks for both cs1.6 and css. and its funny cuz i downloaded the hacks 2 days before my ban was reinstated.
But as far as the private servers go jitspoe shouldnt have any authority over who plays in them cuz 1. its not connected to global login in anyway and it isnt effecting anyone.
and 2. the servers dont even belong to him. like seriously if i understand correctly from my resources. uR's Private was purchased by vlad specifically for Homingbullet when he was banned so that he was able to play.
1- Foxhound assumes that, its not proven
2- You're playing his game, so yes he has the authority.
3- So I can hack and get banned, then play on Carbon servers cause I pay? they are not jitspoe's, they are mine. Paying doesn't change if you hack you cannot play this game. I'm sure private servers wouldn't of been a big deal, but they are so easy to get that the banned player still matches multiple times a day. The ban is supposed to make you unable to play for 'x' amount of days, so when you come back you learn you're lesson or get it doubled. How is being banned bad at all, if you can still match daily... the only difference - You can only match on uR's, and you can't pub. daaaaaammmmmmm being banned is a massive difference, that'd make me learn my lession fosho.
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Not really, hardly any of the posts in this thread have been on topic so it's hard to say which are 'more on topic' then others. They are just all mostly irrelevant. Foxhound was caught cheating - Foxhound says it's a CSS hack or peerblocker - Foxhound says Jitspoe invaded his privacy and that's illegal - Cameron points out it's not, he has the right to - Again pointed out as well as it was detected so jitspoe obviously knows what it is - randomofftopicexcrement /thread
As previously stated, talk to jitspoe. People speculating in this thread will go nowhere. Prime - NaHLiJ was detected, i'm sure if he asks jitspoe and realizes he wont get his bantime lowered, jitspoe will most likely tell him what he had and the dates of when he used it. If he can't/doesn't then go on about 'THERE WAS NO HACK' kthx. The same thing happened to muff, and the same thing can happen to Foxhound. So, admit to having the hack/content - or talk to jitspoe.
LoL Youre right, THey took this so far off topic, I thought the topic was Jitspoe scanning the computer and whatever else they are saying.
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lol wtf. if this is true then it must apply to me cuz i have an aimbot & Wallhacks for both cs1.6 and css. and its funny cuz i downloaded the hacks 2 days before my ban was reinstated.
Coincidence?
1- Foxhound assumes that, its not proven
True and that's why im trying to prove it
LoL Youre right, THey took this so far off topic, I thought the topic was Jitspoe scanning the computer and whatever else they are saying.
so im making a topic (which a committee member should have suggested instead of telling people they are off topic)
jitspoe still hasnt sent me a pm telling me to hand over anything that i had (which i heard he does on the same day of the ban) of course maybe hes late on this one or maybe not.
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The point wasn't about respecting a game, but respecting other people.
That was precisely what I was about to post.
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So basically if someone does not hack paintball but hacks lets say urban terror and they have a ratbot that works only for urban terror they will be banned if the cheat detection picks it up? i dont care about what kind of tone u set for urban terror as long as you havent hacked paintball you should not be banned. is that why people get banned? for hacking this game. even owning hacks for a entirely different game means ban in this one? this is unjust
Not once did I say that. I said it shows the character of a person. All in all it adds up over time. I like foxhound. I really do. Sad that it comes to this but it doesn't look good for a person when the cheat detection picks up on something and they admit to hacking other games. Kind of makes it sound hypocritical doesn't it? "I don't hack this game...." "But I do hack others" What keeps someone from trying to hack this one when they are used to trying to hack others and get away with it? Let's just hope Fox is telling the truth and this can all be worked out.
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flip your right theres nothing i can do untill i can chat with jitspoe im done with the forums.
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...so im making a topic (which a committee member should have suggested instead of telling people they are off topic)...
Again, for everyone's information, Committee has ZERO to do with forum moderation.
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goodluck getting a reply from jitspoe. he hasnt responded to me once since i got banned and its been a week or somethin and im sure thats nothing compared to how long it will take
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flip your right theres nothing i can do untill i can chat with jitspoe im done with the forums.
There is something you can do. You do not have to wait on Jitspoe to improve the real problem here. You have to make the decision to not hack in any game.
A good first step is to stop trying to work angles to get out of your ban. You had hacks. They were detected. It doesn't matter what group of people you were trying to cheat, your intention was the same.
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There is something you can do. You do not have to wait on Jitspoe to improve the real problem here. You have to make the decision to not hack in any game.
A good first step is to stop trying to work angles to get out of your ban. You had hacks. They were detected. It doesn't matter what group of people you were trying to cheat, your intention was the same.
doctor phil Moment?!?!
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doctor phil Moment?!?!
Nope. Called ethics and morals. Some here could learn from the man. Some will learn as they progress through life. All ends the same way. Do it now or wait 10 years. How many people talked crap about m7 and are now banned and gone for doing the things they claimed they didnt do?
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Nope. Called ethics and morals. Some here could learn from the man. Some will learn as they progress through life. All ends the same way. Do it now or wait 10 years. How many people talked crap about m7 and are now banned and gone for doing the things they claimed they didnt do?
i like m7 :( very much so. im sorry i let him down.