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Development => Mapping => Completed Maps => Topic started by: prozajik on May 04, 2011, 08:24:14 AM
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Name: Land in the cave
Statement: Finished
Flags: 2 flags for each side (frist flag 5points, second flag 6points)
Teams: Blue + Yellow
Cap:On the first flag
Mode:2s-3s idk about the gameplay hadn't test it yet
Images:
(http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/8540/paintball22011050416105.jpg)
(http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9798/paintball22011050416112.jpg)
(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9454/paintball22011050416123.jpg)
Download:
Beta 1
http://www.edisk.cz/stahni/43839/caveland_b1.bsp_2.17MB.html (http://www.edisk.cz/stahni/43839/caveland_b1.bsp_2.17MB.html)
Beta 2
http://www.edisk.cz/stahni/50973/caveland_b2.bsp_2.24MB.html (http://www.edisk.cz/stahni/50973/caveland_b2.bsp_2.24MB.html)
Beta 3
http://www.edisk.cz/stahni/77939/caveland_b3.bsp_2.33MB.html (http://www.edisk.cz/stahni/77939/caveland_b3.bsp_2.33MB.html)
Beta 4
http://www.edisk.cz/stahni/11425/caveland_b4.bsp_2.3MB.html
Beta 5
http://www.edisk.cz/stahni/11425/caveland_b4.bsp_2.3MB.htm
Beta 6
http://www.edisk.cz/stahni/10873/caveland_b6.bsp_2.33MB.html
Beta 7
http://www.edisk.cz/stahni/97048/caveland_b7.bsp_2.43MB.html
Beta 8
http://www.edisk.cz/stahni/97204/caveland_b8.bsp_2.44MB.html
Beta 9
http://www.edisk.cz/stahni/39159/caveland_b9.bsp_2.4MB.html
Beta 10
http://www.edisk.cz/stahni/93218/caveland_b10.bsp_2.61MB.html
Final
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=51W88ONS
Attachement download ( scroll down to my posts about each betas )
Beta 3
http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=22708.0;attach=8341 (http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=22708.0;attach=8341)
Beta 4
http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=22708.0;attach=8357
Beta 5
http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=22708.0;attach=8364
Beta 6
http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=22708.0;attach=8563
Beta 7
http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=22708.0;attach=8569
Beta 8
http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=22708.0;attach=8582
Beta 9
http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=22708.0;attach=8592
Beta 10
http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=22708.0;attach=8700
Final/color]
http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=22708.0;attach=8899
Rate and Enjoy ;)
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best map ever :-*
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I think that you should change yellow team to other - you have much yellow on map. Maybe red?
And im not sure if placing cap on 1st flag is good idea, it's hard to reach.
Anyway good map.
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i just tested gameplay and the map doesnt seem to be well playable but i have few ideas i how fix that so maybe b2 will be better ;)
@payl
idk about the colors i wanted to make something different then the common colors red + blue ;). And about that cap...is it difficult? I mean, you can get there without any double jump or anything like that how that can be difficult :D
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Please try to finish some of your other nice maps before starting new one after new one!
I'll have a look at the map this weekend :)
EDIT: Online @ [OTB] Beta!
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well on sald idk what more fix there i think there are all fixes that you said ;)
on bruno ...well i am working on it i have already made more newbie ways etc but i have to fix the wood + add walls next to sky wich will take me long time and i will need more time for it but i didnt abandon this map ;), but still i think bruno is unplayable maybe fixing caps woudl help but i am not sure about it
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Good work, looks very nice and most of the stuff is aligned well :)
I'm not sure what I should think about the flag placements.
Frist flag: I think it's ok there, but there's not much light around it, so it's hard to see the flag and other players in this corner.
Second flag: Almost the opposite. It's better visible, but I don't really like that the second flag is in the mid area of the map.
Maybe it's just me who see the flags a little bit unfavorable placed. I don't know :)
You can delete "type" "medium" from the worldspawn.
Change the "count" value of the second flags from "count" "30" to "count" "1.2", that this flags don't be 150 point flags :P
The other entities looks very good. Nice to see the rotated spawns.
The highest r_speeds are around 3.500 wpoly near the flag. It's not thaat baad. Maybe you could think about deleting the water that isn't really neccessary for the gameplay imo, though.
Only wo screenshots now:
(http://www.otb-server.de/wbblite/attachments/1864.jpg) (http://www.otb-server.de/wbblite/attachments/1863.jpg)
Red: All barrels are misaligned!
Yellow: The upper part of this passage looks strange. I would use the same wide for the wood there.
(http://www.otb-server.de/wbblite/attachments/1866.jpg) (http://www.otb-server.de/wbblite/attachments/1865.jpg)
Yellow: You need to rotate some more faces here.
Online @ [OTB] Beta!
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Ok here is
Land in the cave Beta 2 ;)
Fixed everything chef said +added some gameplay improves (moved flags, added bds)
Known bugs:
Message says beta 1 instead of beta 2
i will probably have to move the second flag again i am not sure if this position is good, but i will see when we will get oppurtinity to try gameplay ;)
Link:
http://www.edisk.cz/stahni/50973/caveland_b2.bsp_2.24MB.html (http://www.edisk.cz/stahni/50973/caveland_b2.bsp_2.24MB.html)
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Land in the cave Beta 3
I decided to make beta 3 without any responses because i get idea about the mid ;)
Fixes:
repleaced the mid hill with ramp i think this should improve gameplay because there is better view now
Just fixed the message so now it says beta 3 :P
Download:
http://www.edisk.cz/stahni/77939/caveland_b3.bsp_2.33MB.html
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Nice. The new mid area looks cool and is aligned well :)
Did you ever test the map online? I'd like to see how it plays with people. I could imagine it works good :D
I'm still not sure about the reflective water. Is the water part really neccessary for the gameplay?
(http://www.otb-server.de/wbblite/attachments/1880.jpg) (http://www.otb-server.de/wbblite/attachments/1879.jpg)
I'd add a clip brush here. Or you can move the box a little bit, just an other possibility to avoid the blocking edge.
(http://www.otb-server.de/wbblite/attachments/1882.jpg) (http://www.otb-server.de/wbblite/attachments/1881.jpg)
What about this? The left brush would have the same wide than the other ones. I think that would look much more clean.
Online @ [OTB] Beta!
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Well i tested just the b1 but it wasnt that good. Still i think the b3 should be much more better i will try to force somebody to test it :D
According to the water, its not neccesary for gemaplay but i think it looks really nice there :D, but ok i will try to delete the water for next beta ;)
1.pic - good idea didnt see that
2.pic - hmm i thought i fxed both brushes. will do so for next beta ;)
i will try to make another beta as soon as i get home
Edit:
Land in the cave Beta 4
deleted water :( (ok it lowered the rspeed by 1000 but it doesnt look that good! :D )
fixed the brush thing + added clip brush
Download:
http://www.edisk.cz/stahni/11425/caveland_b4.bsp_2.3MB.html
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Land in the cave Beta 5
i just added some flowers replacing the water ;) (it looked too empty for me)
Download:
http://www.edisk.cz/stahni/96632/caveland_b5.bsp_2.31MB.html
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Online @ [OTB] Beta!
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Looks nice, but I'm not sure what the gameplay will be like. I've put it up on the beta server for testing. PM me if you need the login.
A few things that bug me:
- The flag and capture point being up on the table things makes it too easy to defend, I think. It'd be a shame to delete the details, but I think it would play better without those. My general rule of thumb is that you should be able to grab the flag while moving backward and aiming at an enemy. Trying to do those jumps backward is rather cumbersome.
- There should be a 3rd angle of approach to the flag platform - you either go through the high tunnel or the low path up the box/ramp, but there's not a quick path from the other low path - you have to move around and go up the boxes.
- The ramp on the narrow box by the flag platform has rock walls that stick out on the front and back of it, often causing you to shoot off to the left and miss the flag.
- You can fall behind the 2nd flag.
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Land in the cave Beta 6
Fixes:
1 - The flag and capture point being up on the table things makes it too easy to defend, I think. It'd be a shame to delete the details, but I think it would play better without those. My general rule of thumb is that you should be able to grab the flag while moving backward and aiming at an enemy. Trying to do those jumps backward is rather cumbersome.
so i added ramp so now you can grab flag a bit faster and you can grab the flag backwards :P idk if it will be for some use
2 - There should be a 3rd angle of approach to the flag platform - you either go through the high tunnel or the low path up the box/ramp, but there's not a quick path from the other low path - you have to move around and go up the boxes.
i have a small idea but it would require more time so i will fix it for next beta
3 - The ramp on the narrow box by the flag platform has rock walls that stick out on the front and back of it, often causing you to shoot off to the left and miss the flag.
idk what do you mean never happened to me, anyway i added the ramp to the flag so now it doesnt depend so much ;)
4 - You can fall behind the 2nd flag.
fixed
More fixes:
Made 2nd flag less campable i think
Added speed for the second way
Reduced number of players that spawned with spyder so now only 2 players can spawn with spyder on the beginning
Added crate next to the flag so now the side tunnel is faster then main way
Download:
http://www.edisk.cz/stahni/10873/caveland_b6.bsp_2.33MB.html
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I attach another thing :) Only a little detail :)
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Land in the cave Beta 7
Fixes:
- Fixed what burnhouse said (thx :P)
- Added another BD to flag i hope it will improve the gameplay :)
Download:
http://www.edisk.cz/stahni/97048/caveland_b7.bsp_2.43MB.html
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I'd move the first-flag-plateau a little bit to the left side, so you can pass it right (crouching).
Maybe you could add an info_player_start entity with "angle" "#", e.g. for the screen behind the scoreboard at the end of the map.
Didn't notice the following stuff before. I don't like the secret rooms. However, there's no entrance for the one at the yellow base.
I'm not sure why you are added two tracer weapons there, if all players spawn with carbine oder spyder. I wouldn't do a downgrade like this, but maybe someone would like to :)
Map is online @ [OTB] Beta!
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First time I looked at this map, -- never playtested or anything -- but by reading this, I think you should change flag caps. They are so spread about that I feel there will be a lot of capping on people (since let's be serious, rushing is an unknown concept to a lot of people), and the map will be finished fast. The flag nearish mid should be worth less, (I'm assuming that's flag 2), I'd say 3 or 4, then 5 or 6 for the 1st flag.
Other then that, the map looks interesting. Definitely a nice new style of gameplay that will come from it. Flags far apart which forces more of a mid-game. The recon could get really confusing though.
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I'd move the first-flag-plateau a little bit to the left side, so you can pass it right (crouching).
Maybe you could add an info_player_start entity with "angle" "#", e.g. for the screen behind the scoreboard at the end of the map.
Didn't notice the following stuff before. I don't like the secret rooms. However, there's no entrance for the one at the yellow base.
I'm not sure why you are added two tracer weapons there, if all players spawn with carbine oder spyder. I wouldn't do a downgrade like this, but maybe someone would like to :)
Map is online @ [OTB] Beta!
What do you mean by that platform? Where? :D I am about to release new beta but i want to fix this first :P
Ok added :)
Does it destroy fps or gameplay? :P I added it just for fun. Like on carpathian there are those..."people" :D and i added tracer just for fun, its a bit funny when you kill somebody with tracer and he has carbine at least for me :D
First time I looked at this map, -- never playtested or anything -- but by reading this, I think you should change flag caps. They are so spread about that I feel there will be a lot of capping on people (since let's be serious, rushing is an unknown concept to a lot of people), and the map will be finished fast. The flag nearish mid should be worth less, (I'm assuming that's flag 2), I'd say 3 or 4, then 5 or 6 for the 1st flag.
Other then that, the map looks interesting. Definitely a nice new style of gameplay that will come from it. Flags far apart which forces more of a mid-game. The recon could get really confusing though.
fixed for the next beta
thanks and i am not sure about the recon too :/
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Seems like a good map. Well done.
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Hehe, I don't like it on carpathian, too.
For the platform, just move it a few units. I hope it's easier to understand with this screenshot.
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Land in the cave Beta 8
Fixes:
- Fixed that platform + added info_player....whatever is it :D forgot the name
- Fixed cap point for flags - 2.flag 4 points, 1.flag 5 points
Download:
http://www.edisk.cz/stahni/97204/caveland_b8.bsp_2.44MB.html
Bugs:Just noticed that areas about 2.flag differs form each other :/ going to fix this in the next beta
@f3l1x:thx :)
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Lol, now you moved the problem with the platform from the left side to the right side. Maybe you need to shorten the wall (right in the pic above) a little bit :)
Oh, and the blue secret room has still no entrance.
Online @ [OTB] Beta!
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hmm really good, didnt think about the other side :D. I will be probably deleting those secret rooms for next beta :)
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Land in the cave Beta 9
Fixes:Fixed bugs, that i mentioned before
Fixed that platform, finally both sides :P
Deleted secret rooms. Made it only info_player_start
Link:http://www.edisk.cz/stahni/39159/caveland_b9.bsp_2.4MB.html
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Very nice, one more very small thing...move the info_player_start entity back slightly, that you can see the text completely. Also there left the blue face of the entrance in that room.
Might be ready for final release :)
Online @ [OTB] Beta!
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ok :). I will wait for opinion of others before releasing maybe last beta
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cool map prozo :)
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I've attached a demo with some feedback. The map looks good. It's nice that you keep posting new betas. Biggest problem I have with it is the flow - there are a lot of little areas where you get hung up and could use clip brushes or slight adjustments. There are some boxes that aren't really useful but just get in the way. Most of the paths to the second flag are out of reach for new players.
Map is up on the beta server for play testing.
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I've attached a demo with some feedback. The map looks good. It's nice that you keep posting new betas. Biggest problem I have with it is the flow - there are a lot of little areas where you get hung up and could use clip brushes or slight adjustments. There are some boxes that aren't really useful but just get in the way. Most of the paths to the second flag are out of reach for new players.
Map is up on the beta server for play testing.
Paintball hasnt new players, this game is dead.
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@jit ok i will try to improve its flow. But isnt pforest/prolandr/renoir the same? Those maps are excellent but pforest or prolandr have only one way for new players without trick jumping. Anyway i will add everything as you suggested.
@aveiro i dont think so. There are many new speed clans/pub clans (i have noticed at least 7 new clans). What does that mean? New players are interested to get into matching scene ;). I dont think this game can ever die there will be always speed players or pub players to keep it alive.
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Just because other maps have those issues doesn't mean they're good. It would be nice if we could help make the game grow instead of designing maps that are exclusively for people with 5-10 years of experience.
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Hm actually its good idea. Most of the mappers is trying to make map which looks like pfo/prolandr. I will try to keep it in mind and make map that is designed for new players :)
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Good Map proza! xD
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GJ prozajik
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thx all i hope that i will have time to finish this map soon finally ;)
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Land in the cave Beta 10
Fixes:Improved flow i hope
Added ladders and all this newbie stuff, everything jitspoe suggested
Isues:Forgot abut moving info_player_start i will move it for final realease
http://www.edisk.cz/stahni/93218/caveland_b10.bsp_2.61MB.html
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Nice. Would be cool if we could test the game flow on the beta server before you'll do the final release.
2 more screenshots...
(http://www.otb-server.de/wbblite/attachments/2479.jpg) (http://www.otb-server.de/wbblite/attachments/2478.jpg)
Red: I'm not sure why there's a purple light. Might be a lighting issue...
(http://www.otb-server.de/wbblite/attachments/2481.jpg) (http://www.otb-server.de/wbblite/attachments/2480.jpg)
Red: One misaligned wall texture. Not a big deal to fix this.
Blue: What happened to the sky? The other base looks different.
Map ist online @ [OTB] Beta!
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@chef
pic1 - noidea probably some issue i dont even know how to make colored lights :P
pic2 - red-fixed,blue-fixed, idk this sometimes happen to me, i press something and the last used brush is applied on sky
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very cool looking map. cant wait to see it in pub servers
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Land in the cave (Final)
Fixes:
I dont relly remember what i fixed there, I had this release prepared for 3-4 months
Just remembered, fixed pic2 from Chef
Downloads:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=51W88ONS
very cool looking map. cant wait to see it in pub servers
thanks ;)
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Yeah :)
Great job, cool map!
I'd wish all mappers put that much effort in their maps and improve them as well as possible. Exemplary.
Thanks for this map :D
It's online @ [OTB] Pub and [OTB] Match!
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Good job prozo! :)
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Thanks guys, glad you like this map :)