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Paintball 2: The Game => Paintball 2 Discussion => Topic started by: friedmice17 on October 20, 2013, 12:49:42 AM
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1. No spawn shields. What the intercourse, this is a game with one hit kills, and you literally have no form of protection when spawning. I just spent like 10 minutes initially getting lined by two douche bags who just sat in spawn and shot in the ONLY PLACES IN THE MAP WE COULD POSSIBLY BE. I only lost that game despite this because Cusoman is an excretory opening and wouldn't stop capping during my angry phase of death. (Cusoman wasn't spawning, he was just being a detective.) I then proceeded to team up with him, line their spawn and we won the next match 147 to 4. This shouldn't be possible. What kind of dumb intercourse builds a game with ONE HIT KILLS where you can literally just sit on peoples spawns and murder their faces before they can do anything other than cry.
2.Stupid development decisions. Why the intercourse would you need bots.
3. Jumps are amazing, that is literally 90% of the reason I play this game, 5% is because Cuso gets sad when I kill him in it. 3% is to try and kill people like Myers so I can tell them they suck. 2% is because I like shooting excrement. More jumps. Also better jump tutorial, that thing is excrement.
4. excrementspoe should play, it would seem less dead and he'd have to deal with the excrement we see, and actually be exposed to how broken his stupid donkey game is. If he actually played this excrement, it would hopefully actually improve.
5. Stop pretending this will be a thing. This wont be a thing. This is awful. Me and the 37 other people that have played this game in its 10 years of existence have collaborated, and this sucks. Fix requested.
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Intercorse == F-U-C-K kiddos
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And where is the hidden camera?
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I think you should calm a bit.There aren't that many spawners anymore anyway.Like 2 douches in an Italy match isn't much
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Lesson learnt: Don't play 24/7 Italy.
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Exactly :)
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(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7qe7y7EuFLw/TYcRRQ5O5CI/AAAAAAAAAKQ/GhrlD0tKIFs/s1600/net-troll.jpg)
Stop feeding now, thanks.
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Hahaha nice, jimmy xD
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Neither maps mentioned was Italy, you can do it anywhere, and I encounter spawners literally every other game, so don't even. That's like 50% of the way anyone wins rounds in Shock USA. And when only 20 people play the game anymore, even if it was only two that's ten percent of the player base that meddling ruins games.
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Why are you posting these koala pictures?These have no point, remove them please
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The Koalas are incredibly relevant
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They may be, but this is just pointless spamming.I advise you stop it
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Deal with what this game has or just stop playing.
You don't really need to start a thread saying how much this game sucks.
Just don't go on speed servers. ;)
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It's really pathetic that the best advice anyone has to give is deal with the problems it has, or just try to avoid places where those problems are worst, rather than trying to address those problems. That wouldn't fly with any real game release, and shouldn't fly here.
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It's the only thing you can do.Unless you wan't to take this to jitspoe or make your own server or something
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I'm not sure you know what the word "humble" means, but I do appreciate getting feedback of any sort.
Regarding your first point, the game was never designed to have instant respawns, which is where most of these spawn camping issues occur. There is a feature vote for spawn protection here:
http://dplogin.com/dplogin/featurevote/feature.php?id=10132
Several people are opposed to it, though. It can be just as frustrating to be killed by an invincible player that just spawned and you can do nothing about. There's another feature vote for revising the spawn behavior, which might help some with spawn killing:
http://dplogin.com/dplogin/featurevote/feature.php?id=10003
Though this can only be as effective as the spawn placement in the maps.
Regarding bots, lack of bots is the top reason for uninstalls. I fail to see why addressing the biggest issue that makes people stop playing is a bad development decision. Also, bots can help out when there aren't many people online. If you hop on to play, but nobody is playing on servers in your area, so you just quit, then 5 minutes later, somebody else does the same thing, you can have a bunch of people that want to play, but don't stick around because nobody is online. If you hop on to shoot bots for a bit, then somebody else joins because there's somebody online, then another... soon you have a full server of real people.
Also, please stop wasting bandwidth and server storage with pointless attachments. I have to pay for that out of my own pocket. Thanks.
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I'm not sure you know what the word "humble" means, but I do appreciate getting feedback of any sort.
Regarding your first point, the game was never designed to have instant respawns, which is where most of these spawn camping issues occur. There is a feature vote for spawn protection here:
http://dplogin.com/dplogin/featurevote/feature.php?id=10132
Several people are opposed to it, though. It can be just as frustrating to be killed by an invincible player that just spawned and you can do nothing about. There's another feature vote for revising the spawn behavior, which might help some with spawn killing:
http://dplogin.com/dplogin/featurevote/feature.php?id=10003
Though this can only be as effective as the spawn placement in the maps.
Regarding bots, lack of bots is the top reason for uninstalls. I fail to see why addressing the biggest issue that makes people stop playing is a bad development decision. Also, bots can help out when there aren't many people online. If you hop on to play, but nobody is playing on servers in your area, so you just quit, then 5 minutes later, somebody else does the same thing, you can have a bunch of people that want to play, but don't stick around because nobody is online. If you hop on to shoot bots for a bit, then somebody else joins because there's somebody online, then another... soon you have a full server of real people.
Also, please stop wasting bandwidth and server storage with pointless attachments. I have to pay for that out of my own pocket. Thanks.
This is probably one of the best posts I have seen on this forum. Perfect example of a good post.
Now on topic, I think bots would benefit, but based on feedback from running my own servers, people don't like bots and leave. The key thing here is why do some people hate bots?
I personally think the reason is that the bot has unrealistic movement combined with unreal aim and awareness, making it impossible to:
#hide from the bot in a dark area
#juke the bot
#get a backshot on the bot
... I can probably think of more, but I think these are the 3 main ones.
If the bot system fixes them 3, I think you are onto a winner. :)
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This is probably one of the best posts I have seen on this forum. Perfect example of a good post.
That's Jitspoe for ya. :D
Now on topic, I think bots would benefit, but based on feedback from running my own servers, people don't like bots and leave. The key thing here is why. I think the reason is that the bot has unrealistic movement combined with unreal aim and awareness, making it impossible to:
#hide from the bot in a dark area
#juke the bot
#get a backshot on the bot
... I can probably think of more, but I think these are the 3 main ones.
I hate it when bots do that! +1 for that fix. But it's funny when the bots do it to others.
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Jitspoe, I understand and have been told about the fact that the game was never designed for instant respawns, but from what I've seen in game play, the servers called SPEED servers are usually the most populated by new to middling old players. To completely ignore the fact that gamers who play fps nowadays aren't used to and don't want to put up with respawn times that are close to a minute long like what I've seen in the matching scene is fairly non-productive and makes the game feel stuck in an older time. Also to say that it just isn't part of the games intention is really just a pretty lame dodge. Even if the respawn times were longer than instantaneous, that doesn't stop someone from just sitting there and shooting whoever pops up. A spawn shield may be rough from the perspective of someone who is about to cap a flag but gets shot by an invincible just spawned character, but it is equally annoying to have just spawned knowing someone is about to capture a flag but since they were lining your spawn, you're dead for another 5 seconds if a speed server, or 20 seconds if it isn't. Also accounting for the fact that people like Shockwave exist, they will know when you're going to spawn regardless and murder you. By adding a spawnshield I feel you'd be eliminating two sources of major annoyance and game disruption while not adding them is only really defending against one that doesn't ruin the game outright, but simply calls for maps where spawn isn't exactly on the flag like you said.
Regarding the bots issue, I understand what your intention is with this, but I wasn't commenting on the fact that bots would be stupid, I was commenting on your apparent lack of understanding of what new players want in a game. Yes, populated servers look much more appealing to play in, and if there were realistic bots than we may see some more people stick around, but I sincerely feel that if it was just you and some bots vs a team of bots, you'd likely just leave anyway, since the appeal of facing an actual person isn't there. My criticism was more aimed at the fact that you are spending time and energy adding features to a game that's previous issues still need to be hammered out. Not to mention the fact that I can't imagine too many servers will be willing to implement bots since as you mentioned, the money to fund their resources is coming out of pocket, and to do what you're suggesting would add more processing stress on their servers. I admit to some ignorance in this area so if I'm wrong and the system would be inexpensive from their perspective, then I could see some value in it, but I just don't see a lot of point in developing a feature like that when you could be improving standard gameplay to be more friendly to newcomers.
I do thank you for actually addressing my concerns. I was pretty much waiting for you to say something while trying to put up with all of these people who seem quite content just telling me I'm wrong.
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I agree and hate speed servers, they emerged 5 years ago and unfortunately the newer players like them. I do agree the more experienced players have a huge advantage though learning the spawns and lines. The match scene is fine how it is and has worked for 15 years. I think doing away with speed servers would fix many problems :).
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I don't see why spawn shields couldn't just be a server setting, that way match servers could disable it for "authentic" play and speed servers could enable it because speed servers without spawn shields are pretty terrible :)
I don't think removing speed servers is the solution, given they are the most popular servers for new players. We're trying to retain new players, yes?
- Cusoman
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How about this: each person, upon spawning, gets a 1 or 2 second period where they can neither shoot nor get shot. This way, they have time to juke out the spawn killers while not being the invincible gunman. This should probably be an optional feature for servers to either use or ignore, but would be highly recommended for speed servers.
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I was thinking about that myself too, But it would still have some flaws, (hunting the newly spawned player and killing him/her) or something like that
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At least then they'd have to leave spawn to catch them and give others a chance to fight back
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I'll see if I can come up with some better way of handling respawns for the next build. I think some maps are just going to have no win scenarios for spawn camping, though. Some maps have spawn rooms (ex: propaint series), and even with full on spawn protection for a couple seconds, by the time you exit the room, you're vulnerable again.
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Hey, friedmice17, Lemme just tell you camping, spawnkilling, and 1 hit KO attacks make this game the BEST. You don't have to chase and shoot the other players just to drain thier lives to 0. This thread means, you're a newb, you like speed servers. Lemme just tell you again, there is a search function. I learned that from Clipz and Payl. So have respect and wait for development. I wanna answer your reactions about this game:
1. No spawn shields? The only spawn shields in this game are you're reflexes. =P
2. Why do we need bots? For training. Haven't you trained yet?
3. Yes, jumps are amazing. You won't literally kill Cuso and MyeRs for real.... Cuz they are the best!
4. If jitspoe dosen't play, Then how'd this game improve? Because of us. We post demos, screenshot and we don't have the fear to tell what's wrong.
5. "Stop pretending this will be a thing. This won't be a thing" ........ IT'S ALREADY A THING!!
That's all. Thank you.
~FusSioN
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Hey, friedmice17, Lemme just tell you camping, spawnkilling, and 1 hit KO attacks make this game the BEST.
That's an opinion I never would've expected from somebody.
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Lol, I kill Cuso on a regular basis. Bots train you to fight bots.
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Lol, I kill Cuso on a regular basis. Bots train you to fight bots.
No they don't
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Yes they do. Name any game that someone got professionally good at by playing vs. bots.
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Well, you're probably not going to reach a professional level playing bots. I don't think that's what anybody is expecting. Bots are more for the new-to-average players. Some people don't stand a chance even against average players. Perhaps playing with bots can help build up their skills a bit to the point where they can play online and have an enjoyable experience. Playing into the game for the first time, getting murdered repeatedly, having your teammates yell at you because you let the enemy cap the flag on you, etc. is not likely the experience that will make people stick around.
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Yes they do. Name any game that someone got professionally good at by playing vs. bots.
Paintball2. I got to move like a bot and I dodge very good.
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Yes they do. Name any game that someone got professionally good at by playing vs. bots.
games that only have bots haha