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Fairness Enforcement => Cheater Reports and Bans => Topic started by: jitspoe on March 17, 2014, 03:29:46 PM
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Profile for KSMAFIA2b2 ||Player ID: 211282
Names registered: starty, lumixan, sivr, sivir, blitzcrank, activeesports, kuckarma, azn, ups, ksmafia2b2
Active Clan: Psycho Ballers
Former Clans: Dirty Ghetto * Gaming, Team [El1T3], OnlyLuckBro, worldwide-gamemates, World Best Team, eMazing Gamers, VoLTaGe gaMiNg, TERRORS, .cReative., M3RK'D Gaming, Gaming Z0n3, Team Cista, |Ctek3|, alpha Coalition army, unKnown
Real Name: Simon
Location: Germany
Biography:
since 03-05-2013 playing dp2
If you want you can add me on skype Lumixan
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Cya starty ;)
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Sad. :(
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New ban for assistance with open_war/promarijan's malicious file to hijack accounts:
http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=27074
Committee voted on 1024 days for now. The ban time may be revised later.
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New ban for assistance with open_war/promarijan's malicious file to hijack accounts:
http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=27074
Committee voted on 1024 days for now. The ban time may be revised later.
finally justice...after sooooo many weeks!
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New ban for assistance with open_war/promarijan's malicious file to hijack accounts:
http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=27074
Committee voted on 1024 days for now. The ban time may be revised later.
Oh man pls remove my bann i wanna play dp !!
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You probably should of thought about this before cheating.
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You probably should of thought about this before cheating.
i cheat?
1. i didnt cheat
2. i never will cheat
3. i gived a texture pack 4 guys
4. it was trojan
5. we gived them the accounts back
6. we got banned for 1024 days
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"3. i gived a texture pack 4 guys "
"4. it was trojan"
...wow Lumi, these are probably the best reasons to unban you I ever heard xd Just don't evade and wait the 1024 days - if you don't evade and find another game for the "no pb"-time it will go faster than you believe ^^
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"5. we gived them the accounts back"
if we wanna steal dp accounts we wouldnt give them the accounts back.
We only wanted to test the code !
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It's still a pretty stupid thing to do. Anyway I hope you'll learn something out of this. You got some kind of responsibility as a programer and abusing it is illegal.
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The intention is enough to ban you.
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I will evade as long as i'm banned! I simply don't respect your ban!
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You just lost all your sympathy anyone ever had for you. :))))))))
And I feel like it's really unfortunate that Payl and Jitspoe will never work out a better anticheat/antievade whatever system.
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i cheat?
1. i didnt cheat
2. i never will cheat
Oh? Not even under the name "LumixanTheRealOne" on Christmas day? Huh.
3. i gived a texture pack 4 guys
4. it was trojan
5. we gived them the accounts back
6. we got banned for 1024 days
This is not something to be taken lightly. Legal action could be taken against behavior like this.
http://www.neowin.net/news/hacker-faces-jail-for-trojan-horse
We only wanted to test the code !
And how many other victims would you have "tested" it on if you weren't banned? What were you planning to do with the results of these tests?
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I think some quality time with bubba would change his mind on if it's a joke or not.
Don't drop the soap!
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If I were one of the people you "tested" it on I would probably do something about. Really not something to joke about.
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Oh? Not even under the name "LumixanTheRealOne" on Christmas day? Huh.
This is not something to be taken lightly. Legal action could be taken against behavior like this.
http://www.neowin.net/news/hacker-faces-jail-for-trojan-horse
And how many other victims would you have "tested" it on if you weren't banned? What were you planning to do with the results of these tests?
I defently didnt cheat on chrismas day under the name LumixanTheRealOne ... Evading is not cheating?? lol
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"However, users who clicked on the links were infected with a Trojan that opened a backdoor on their PCs, allowing the hacker to spy on his victims, steal banking details and commit identity theft."
Jitspoe,
Mabye youre blind ?
comparing stealing backaccounts to hijacking dpaccs is really dumb! I mean what should i do illegal with dpaccs? There is no important data at all. Just dumb comparison^^ LOL
would be better if you first read the news before you wanna argument with sth
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"However, users who clicked on the links were infected with a Trojan that opened a backdoor on their PCs, allowing the hacker to spy on his victims, steal banking details and commit identity theft."
Jitspoe,
Mabye youre blind ?
comparing stealing backaccounts to hijacking dpaccs is really dumb! I mean what should i do illegal with dpaccs? There is no important data at all. Just dumb comparison^^ LOL
would be better if you first read the news before you wanna argument with sth
(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/194/096/never_go_full_retard1.jpg)
Now if you still haven't realized it yet: Hacking/Hijackking into any accounts is illegal. It does not matter if it contains information or not; but depending on what type of account(s) you steal and what information(s) has been breached it will only affect your jail time. They are comparably things. Lets also take your argument on DP accounts: even if they are zero information; it still breaches privacy laws: which means its illegal.
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i cheat?
1. i didnt cheat //Ye, worked well xD
2. i never will cheat //"I will never swear again, excretory opening!"
3. i gived a texture pack 4 guys //Dachte du hasts den Mädels gegeben, ha.ha.ha.
4. it was trojan // a simple script shouldnt be called a trojan. malicious file describes it waaaaay betta.
5. we gived them the accounts back // ich give dir gleich was
6. we got banned for 1024 days // quote from 3: "ha.ha.ha"
In conclution: Also, hahaha.
:(
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I'm not sure how this is an argument honestly. They spread malicious files on purpose. It doesn't matter what was in them or what they took. It's not only breaking game rules on many levels, but it's breaking actual laws. It should just be a perm ban for things like this.
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Lumixan, creating a multi to cheat under isn't going to make you look innocent. You're just violating more rules. I suggest you stop this behavior if you don't want me to contact your ISP and take legal action. I don't think they'll consider it as lightly as you do.
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I've contacted him through dp forums and email but haven't received a response. I was won
dering if i can get an unban for several reasons ... If jitspoe sees this pls reply to me.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T3eOxcBF_U
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T3eOxcBF_U
Dein Ernst?
xD
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Detected again:
Names used:
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Lumixan
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IP's:
77.190.60.117 = x4dbe3c75.dyn.telefonica.de
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DPLogin ID: 211282
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Not that i care much but isnt 2.047 days ban for a second offense a bit exaggerated ?
Following the post Jitspoe made some times ago regarding the new ban times.. I wonder whats the committee role in all that ?
Three years of ban time for a first offense regardless of what you've done, this shouldn't be a thing. Three years is a whole gaming career. No room for redemption.
I understand that managing cheaters is time consuming but shouldnt it be where the committee intervenes then ?
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Not that i care much but isnt 2.047 days ban for a second offense a bit exaggerated ?
Following the post Jitspoe made some times ago regarding the new ban times.. I wonder whats the committee role in all that ?
Three years of ban time for a first offense regardless of what you've done, this shouldn't be a thing. Three years is a whole gaming career. No room for redemption.
I understand that managing cheaters is time consuming but shouldnt it be where the committee intervenes then ?
He took advantage of the community by spreading malicious content... I believe the time is to reflect the seriousness of that, not of his cheating, multiple accounts or any cheats he may have spread.
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In my opinion 6 years are way too much. He got punished already for what he has done in the past for the full 1024 days. I know DPs judgement system adds up previous ban times, but looking at the games activity I would appreciate if you overthink that decision again. Also he should get the chance to come clean if he is willing to cooperate, because his previous ban was not about hacking ingame.
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I understand that his first offense was extreme but now we are speaking of somebody that used a cheat and got a 6 years ban for it as a second offense.
Its as safe to say that his playtime on the game is over.
I dont want to be specifically speaking of Lumixan's bantime since every cases are differents but overall the ban hammer going up from potentially 32 days to 1024 days for a first offense whether you were caught cheating OR distributing still is itching my eyes whenever i read these numbers.
In my opinion we should make sure that these two offenses should received separate ban times as it was in before. The game activity has highly decreased the past 4 years and its also the case for the number of cheaters that are being banned in a year so maybe the committee and Jitspoe should rethink of the new ban times that were changed in 2012 when the game had a huge activity spike which isn't the case anymore.
Revert to the old ban times if the players caught cheating are actually co-operating so that it makes the co-operation way more advantageous because lets be honest, whether somebody is banned 2044 days or 1522, these numbers are already high enough that it makes no difference and probably doesn't even motivate players for the co-operation.
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Many players weren't banned for the actual 1024 days for their first offense. If the committee thinks that the player learned from his mistakes and will behave properly, the ban time gets decreased.
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So the committee will try to contact the player? Or how can they know if said player learned from their mistakes or not?
However, I hope that process will take a fair amount of time. We both know about the current state of activity. Right now it was starting to increase again and one of the main reasons for that was Lumixan and his clanmates, who were starting to pick up newer players and creating new teams to play competitively with them.
It wouldn't help at all if it would take another 6 months to think about decreasing his bantime. There were players like Shock and Schreibfeler who had the chance for reduce within couple of days. I trust in the committee to keep up that speed for this case aswell.
(If he is willing to cooperate and learned from his mistakes ofc.)
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Lumixan clearly hasn't learned anything. In his case I guess 6 months won't matter, but that discussion doesn't belong here.
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Lumixan clearly hasn't learned anything.
Exactly. He came back from a ~3 year ban and decided to cheat again... ;)
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Exactly. He came back from a ~3 year ban and decided to cheat again... ;)
He did not cheat before. As far as I know his previous ban was for some malicious script. But not for cheating. That's the point.
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He did not cheat before. As far as I know his previous ban was for some malicious script. But not for cheating. That's the point.
Cheating was included in his first ban.
Lumixan is clearly at fault for cheating again and this isnt questionable.
The questionable point is the 6 years he got for. Longer than the average lifepan of a computer.
The purpose of non-permanents bans is to give a chance to banned players to redeem by helping the committee but seeing such high numbers as for ban times is most likely turning off any hopes. I wouldn't even try to "come clean" knowing i'd be banned for the next six years.
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He did not cheat before. As far as I know his previous ban was for some malicious script. But not for cheating. That's the point.
Jitspoe, you must be wrong! Zenit says he didn't cheat.
Oh? Not even under the name "LumixanTheRealOne" on Christmas day? Huh.
First time caught cheating
Lumixan, creating a multi to cheat under isn't going to make you look innocent.
Kept cheating
Detected again:
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DPLogin ID: 211282
Still cheating
New ban for assistance with open_war/promarijan's malicious file to hijack accounts:
Oh looky here, his original ban was for cheating and the other behaviour was added on.
Lumixan is clearly at fault for cheating again and this isnt questionable.
The questionable point is the 6 years he got for. Longer than the average lifepan of a computer.
The questionable point is why he cheated again after a 3 year ban... He knew how long his first one was :P
So from what I can see, he has:
- Cheated
- Evaded the ban under a multi-account and kept cheating
- Has then wrote some malicious content to steal user accounts
- Lied about cheating
- Caught cheating again (after ~3 year ban)
I agree that ban times should be lowered for some players, but is this one of the players? I don't think so.
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Well, I tried. Glad to see you still care that much for the game you don't play anymore, Rick! You surely still know what helps the most! :)
(Though I am pretty sure that ban will kill the game entirely if there won't come anything soon that helps creating activity. Out of the 15 players playing the game there were like 7 playing with and because of Lumixan. I believe they are going to quit the game soon, too. But I guess you know that aswell and you have a plan to bring new players to the game, keep existing ones and get back oldies. Otherwise it's over.
And no, one event every 2 years and a new build after 5 years won't help increasing activity for long.)
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Dear Rick,
i really cant understand how you can talk here =D I mean you probably know that my name is Lumixan and you checked my former bans ... But does that make you an involved Player? You dont even play Paintball 2.
Everything that you wrote, everything that you will write is completly not nessesary. I mean you are in the comitee but thats all. I dont think a comitee member that knows nothing about me or the current dp can talk here.
Your Lumixan
Dear Jitspoe,
I knew when i wrote you in private message this text:
"Hello Jitspoe,
I am ready to cooperate with you. I know hacking is against the rules, yet I was dumb enough to not follow them. I am really sorry for that. Since my former ban's reason was not for hacking in general, I'd like to know if there still is any chance for me to come clean. I am ready to give you all informations that I have.
- Lumixan"
that you wont answer me anymore, i guess i would be pretty pissed off in your situation too. But if your system really detects me with the cheat and you can check it when i used it and when not than i really dont understand why your not replying to me. I played since i left i6 clean. I joined to ownage with MatzeMR he was active again because of me. I also brought TiiMo back and now check him out hes in .flaRe.. I also brought Trappi hohoho rpls and carvii more in the matching szene. And i guess Mc.Gregor was more active too, because we matched nearly every day but im not sure if they did this before too, but i guess they didnt. So i6 Spartax Snox and flow were active too. I guess most of these guys will quit or just dont play anymore and to be honest its the whole dp szene. I had the wallhack and i wanted to test it. But then i realised that its not worth it so i started playing without it. It was not a coincidence that i didnt use wallhack in the 3s on duckfix against mcgregor, i guess that was the map where snox got reported. That you are not even let me try to deffend me shows that you wont do anything and that you wont reduce my ban. I think you are even too lazy to read this answer because you think its not worth it and i can understand you, but in the End its your own decision. If you believe in the community or not. If you will give me another chance i will promise that i wont cheat anymore otherwise you can give me a lifetime ban like this one. Just please give me a last chance.
Your Lumixan
Dear Rockitude,
if i didnt change my mind anytime why did i play clean against mc.gregor ? Can you remember when you played with me and snox on carpathian and freedom ? Wether you will say that i cheated there or not you know that i didnt cheat. We were in voice talk and if you really would have suspected me you would have asked for my demo but you didnt. Just ask Jitspoe for the last time as his system detected me and mabye you will believe me. I gained that wh and i wanted to test it so i played with it and i know it was wrong otherwise i wouldnt even try to deffend myself. And if i would be a dirty cheater do you really think mc.gregor or the community would deffend me ?! I know that you never cheated so its probably a "no go" for you anyways, but i remember when luckmore got banned for using wallhack there you wrote something in his thread like "shh everyone of us cheated once".
If you read my post to jitspoe you should know that i brought some players back, i also get mm back into his old lovely clan without getting anything from it.
Just think about it even if you dont want to.
Your Lumixan
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@Zenit @Lumixan
You cannot blame the committee for doing their jobs and as for the banned, it could be the most active person in game that it wouldn't remove the fact that he cheated and that for the second time.
@Rick
Im not questioning Lumixan's will but his six years of ban time which is highly exaggerated.
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Here is a representation of the actual ban times policies on DP2.
https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aOrE00M_460svvp9.webm
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Well, I tried. Glad to see you still care that much for the game you don't play anymore, Rick! You surely still know what helps the most! :)
I do care about this community. That's why it's hard for me to look past someone spreading malicious content to unsuspecting community members, as well as to give Lumixan another chance - he had ~3 years to think about what he did and he still comes back and breaks the rules.
Out of the 15 players playing the game there were like 7 playing with and because of Lumixan.
So, because he is the reason that 7 players (half the community) still play the game, he should be able to do what he pleases?
Discussions are an integral part of the community and it's great to have everyone involved, but Zenit, maybe just take a break from replying and come back with a fresh head - you seem more interested in trying to attack me than the topic at hand...
Dear Rick,
i really cant understand how you can talk here =D I mean you probably know that my name is Lumixan and you checked my former bans ... But does that make you an involved Player? You dont even play Paintball 2.
Everything that you wrote, everything that you will write is completly not nessesary. I mean you are in the comitee but thats all. I dont think a comitee member that knows nothing about me or the current dp can talk here.
Your Lumixan
Hi Luximan,
You make a good point. I am not currently active in the matching community (I've been trying to be more active on the forums, as I have no time to play. I feel like coming on here and adding to discussions to be more helpful than doing nothing at all), and I do not know who you are... but is that a bad thing? I do not have the personal connection to you that Zenit and JeongWa have. I do not know how popular you are in this community. I do not have any grudges against you. I know nothing about you, I am just aware of the rule system, which is how any good judicial system works.
You also said to jitspoe above that you wanted to just test the wallhack, the heck? Why? You were banned for ~3 years, why would you risk being banned again? I don't know about anyone else, but I definitely do not believe your reason for cheating, again.
Anyway, good on you for bringing those few players back, I don't think that outweighs your cheating though :)
Cheers,
Rick
P.S - I'm on the Map Committee, not the Committee that decides ban times. I'm just participating in the discussion.
P.P.S - I may be wrong here, but I vaguely remember years ago that jitspoe mentioned that every name on the detected list is a name the user used whilst cheating, not every name the user had ever used. If this is the case, you might want to change your reason for cheating.
@Rick
Im not questioning Lumixan's will but his six years of ban time which is highly exaggerated.
Is it actually highly exaggerated? If this was any other community, he would've been permanently banned for the cheating alone the first time around.
I know, this isn't like any other community so let's compare Lumixan to someone else who has developed, used and spread malicious content. There's payl, he is permanently banned. What about Toxic, he didn't create malicious content but he did hijack accounts like Lumixan... permanently banned. Zaltekk created malicious content and gave it out, what about him? Permanently banned. Lumixan was given a 1024 day ban, he was lucky enough to have a second chance, he will even get a third chance in the years to come.
It's great that you're trying to get ban times decreased, I agree that in a lot of cases they're just too high. I don't agree that Lumixan is one of those cases though.
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Why is this even a discussion LOOL. Logic of "games dead, why ban an active player" is laughable. If the game needs cheaters to remain active, then the game doesn't need to be alive. I'd understand arguing if it were a multiple account ban (because honestly that's the dumbest thing to ban for, it's 2018 - what if some days I identify as a girl, and I want my account to reflect this).
But a guy cheated, his names used show that this was not a "1 time test" -- the cheat was active with A LOT of names used, he cheated a lot. He got banned. End of discussion.
Rick or anyone else's activity in the game does not mean anything towards that. It's black and white.
Ban times always doubled when you get banned. Everyone knew this. It's his 3rd ban. CyAaaaAa
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Just to make it clear, i do not have any personal connection to him and we never really been in good terms.
Unlike Zenit, i believe that banning cheaters can only be beneficial to the game even if they are part of the active community.
I might not be in the good thread but using Lumixan's ban was a good opportunity to display the fact that a player banned most likely wont co-operate if there is no relevant advantage of doing so.
Lumixan out of the conversation. I'd highly recommend to squish those numbers.
If it was me getting banned for the next 3-6 years i wouldn't even bother providing anything since i would most likely have a fresh computer by the time the ban is over. The ban times have to be adjusted depending on the offense if you want more co-operation and potentially being able to caught more people.
@Rick In alot of other popular games the bans there are account focused which means you just have to buy another copy of the game which is actually worse than DP2.
There is no point to say that of course if a player doesn't learn from his past mistakes, the time should be higher but you also have to differentiate the offenses and adjust the ban time according to them.
- First offense : Cheating, Malicious files | 1024 days
- Second one : Cheating | 2048 days
Offenses are different yet the bantime has just been doubled.
@Myers Im not questioning lumixan's ban but the actual ban times policies. Back then you also cheated but got off with only a month ban while with the new policies you could have been banned for 3 years as a first offense doubled if more offenses. Those numbers are obviously way too high.
Im only speaking of what i can see from what is written on forums about ban times. I obviously have no idea how the committee really proceed & debate about it, but i felt like giving my advice about those high numbers still.
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Though I am pretty sure that ban will kill the game entirely if there won't come anything soon that helps creating activity. Out of the 15 players playing the game there were like 7 playing with and because of Lumixan. I believe they are going to quit the game soon, too. But I guess you know that aswell and you have a plan to bring new players to the game, keep existing ones and get back oldies. Otherwise it's over.
There has been a maximum of 4 players together on one server in the past 4 or 5 days. No matches anymore. Just giving you guys a quick update! :)
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sometimes you just need to accept that game is
utterly dead i dont think you can
convince jitspoe or anyone of the committee its
karma for the long ban times ... he banned
me but we cant change this anyway so
you cant get activity back into this game its just
dead as you can see cooperating is useless
i just want to mention that for all other banned players
convincing jitspoe with cooperating dont help you need to
know this information :)
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sometimes you just need to accept that game is
utterly dead i dont think you can
convince jitspoe or anyone of the committee its
karma for the long ban times ... he banned
me but we cant change this anyway so
you cant get activity back into this game its just
dead as you can see cooperating is useless
i just want to mention that for all other banned players
convincing jitspoe with cooperating dont help you need to
know this information :)
Not sure what you're saying, but if you really want to play again there was a payment option being discussed years ago. Maybe have a quick search for it, I think it was something like 50c per day reduced to a minimum of 128 days?
Edit: here you go (http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=7053.0)
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Not sure what you're saying
typical rick :P
, but if you really want to play again there was a payment option being discussed years ago. Maybe have a quick search for it, I think it was something like 50c per day reduced to a minimum of 128 days?
Edit: here you go (http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=7053.0)
Yeah or just change my UUID for free in Bios lol
But no worries i realised its better to not play pb and let this game die :) Thats way harder for jitspoe and the community if i just leave the game, because he cant do anything against it :)
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Not sure what you're saying
Dear Rick,
even though you are a native speaker you seem to lack understanding and comprehending basic english language.
I will try to help you a bit! So, what Lumixan was saying:
- it seems not possible to cooperate with jitspoe
- Lumixan will stop trying to fight for reduce, since he won't get anything anyways
- Lumixan wants to convince banned players to not cooperate, cause it won't change anything
- Lumixan wants to leave the game dying as it is
What Lumixan was NOT saying:
- asking for reduce
- asking to play again
Friendly regards,
zenit
(If you have trouble understanding that, let me know! I'll try my best and describe it by using other words!)
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typical rick :P
:( I was trying to be helpful :(
Yeah or just change my UUID for free in Bios lol
But no worries i realised its better to not play pb and let this game die :) Thats way harder for jitspoe and the community if i just leave the game, because he cant do anything against it :)
Definitely haven't changed. Maybe just go and cheat at something like CS:GO, new copies are like $10, more affordable for someone like you.
Dear Rick,
...
Friendly regards,
zenit
Thanks, I couldn't be bothered piecing together Lumixan's poorly formed sentences and assumed you or JeongWa would reply with something like this.
even though you are a native speaker you seem to lack understanding and comprehending basic english language.
Yes, I am a native speaker. No, that is broken English, not basic English.
(If you have trouble understanding that, let me know! I'll try my best and describe it by using other words!)
Will do! I'll mention you in any comment that I need help transforming from broken English.
Cheers,
Rick
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Perfect example of what i said.
Broken ban times, the banned players do not even care anymore about reducing it. This has to be expected.
Getting as much infos as possible on cheats & potentially catching more people should be the priority regarding of the past of a player and his
affinity with others.
@Rick Looking at me as a super hero to the point of mentioning my name as if'd go to his rescue ?
I dont really understand your point beside that it is what a child would do for provocation. lol.
Do i have to remind you that the only reason these names are on the banlist is because we caught and reported them ?
I dont have time to spend for childish fights. If you could not mention my name for such low comments, that would gladly help my brain cells surviving the read.
Thanks.
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@Rick Looking at me as a super hero to the point of mentioning my name as if'd go to his rescue ?
wot, I was insinuating that you or zenit would reply (which you both now have) because of our disagreements in the past. Although I was right, zenit was super nice about it.
I dont really understand your point beside that it is what a child would do for provocation. lol.
Not sure which post you're referring to. The initial post was helpful, and linked to a possible way of Lumixan being unbanned, and the second stated that I didn't think he had changed (as he has obviously already looked into evading his ban - and his general attitude towards the game). If you're talking about the response to zenit, I appreciated his translation for me, which I thanked him for...
Do i have to remind you that the only reason these names are on the banlist is because we caught and reported them ?
Not sure what's going on here @zenit? Why do I need to know about this?
I dont have time to spend for childish fights. If you could not mention my name for such low comments, that would gladly help my brain cells surviving the read.
I was genuinely unsure of Lumixan's post - which zenit helped me with and in return, I corrected his use of the term basic english. Why are you trying to make this into something it's not...
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Definitely haven't changed. Maybe just go and cheat at something like CS:GO, new copies are like $10, more affordable for someone like you.
You dont even know how i was before so you definitely know nothing about me. I dont play CS:GO like you, because its only for ricks... and lets be honest i really dont want to be a rick lol. No offense but i dont think that im a bad cheater like you in CS:GO, im saying that because im sure that you cheated already in CS:GO otherwise you wouldnt write stuff like this. Looks like you have many thoughts about CS:GO, cheating, new copies , etc.
Please dont tell me your thoughts on a forum where everyone else can read it, mabye you get some Players to cheat in CS:GO and i dont think anyone want this. You want other people to cheat to abuse the System, i dont want to know how much players got banned in pb only because of people like you :)
Great committee member stay happy :)
regards to rick (if you dont understand my text please message zenit ... he can translate it with other words)
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@Rick
I cannot see the on-going private discussion concerning this ban wave but basing it on this conversation only, you are no way near trying to get to know more about the situation. Quit the BS and do not tell me you are "only trying to help".
As you've mentioned, you only included my name " because of our disagreements in the past " and RN this thread is only getting to an argumentation point between You, Zenit & Lumixan and as we can see this isnt helping the thread at all neither going anywhere.
@To every committee members
All i've read from any of the committee intervention yet is : he deserved his ban.
I hope you guys are doing a better job on the private forum section for this case. Because if i was the banned player cooperating and there wouldnt be any progress at all, i would feel betrayed.
(Im only assuming Lumixan did cooperate since he mentioned it earlier but i actually have no idea if it happened)
@To Lumixan
You cannot go off topic and start questioning Rick's Right to intervene in this thread because being part of the committee he his 100% in the right to intervene here.
The only way you'll get your ban time reduced is to cooperate with them privately and not getting butthurt over somebody mentioning your past because that is a factor into your ban.
Prove the committee that it was a mistake, that you want to move on by cooperating. And do not use a topic such as the game activity to defend yourself because banning cheaters and making cheats detectable is worth way more than having one or two more active players into the game. That last point also goes to @Zenit
@To anyone willing to intervene in this thread
Quit the argumentation about whether or not he deserved the ban.
Be productive and look for more informations on the case.
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Zenit, help? jk.
You dont even know how i was before so you definitely know nothing about me.
I know that you have:
-Cheated multiple times
-Sent malicious content to other players.
-Evaded your ban.
-Switched attitudes as soon as you realised you were, more than likely, not getting a reduced ban time.
-Looked into ways of spoofing your hardware to evade another ban.
Do I need to know more?
I dont play CS:GO like you, because its only for ricks... and lets be honest i really dont want to be a rick lol.
I don't play CS:GO anymore, decided some real life projects were more important to me.
No offense but i dont think that im a bad cheater like you in CS:GO, im saying that because im sure that you cheated already in CS:GO otherwise you wouldnt write stuff like this. Looks like you have many thoughts about CS:GO, cheating, new copies , etc.
Never cheated in CS:GO, the only person I know that cheated in that game was Sqz. I definitely miss playing CS, but hey, life/projects come first and well, I already achieved the highest rank in CS:GO (obviously the paid leagues have a much higher skill level than I ever achieved, but hey, I didn't want to pay a subscription!).
Please dont tell me your thoughts on a forum where everyone else can read it, mabye you get some Players to cheat in CS:GO and i dont think anyone want this. You want other people to cheat to abuse the System, i dont want to know how much players got banned in pb only because of people like you :)
I'd much rather the people that read this go and cheat on CS:GO, then on here. CS:GO has a good enough detection system to keep up with you kids cheating, this game does not. Also, nothing I have said has directly linked to any cheats, or anything malicious, I didn't even name types of cheats... They'd have more luck finding cheats from the cheat detection post by jitspoe.
Great committee member stay happy :)
I'm on the Map Committee, I don't have anything to do with cheaters, people that spread malicious content or people that evade their bans - which is why I can voice my opinion about you. I will definitely stay happy, thanks :)
I know that you do not agree with my opinion of your ban time (it is just an opinion), but seriously, learn from your mistakes. I suggested the payment method of reducing your ban time, but I also vaguely remember that people that contribute to the community (through mapping/creation of textures/tutorials/etc.) have the potential of getting their ban times reviewed/reduced... maybe that's worth a shot?
Cheers,
Rick
P.S Maybe just pay jitspoe, rather than trying evading - I actually think this might be a good option for you, I was trying to be helpful when I suggested it.
@Rick
I cannot see the on-going private discussion including the committee concerning this ban wave but basing it on this conversation only, you are no way near trying to get to know more about the situation. Quit the BS and do not tell me you are "only trying to help".
As you've mentioned its " because of our disagreements in the past " and RN this thread is only getting to an argumentation point between You, Zenit & Lumixan and as we can see this isnt helping the thread at all neither going anywhere.
Pssst - I'm NOT on the Committee that reviews bans etc., I'm on the Mapping Committee... a completely separate Committee... I've mentioned this before.
Also, I said I assumed one of you guys would respond with a broken down version of Lumixan's post because of our past - which Zenit did, in a very mature and helpful way (where I showed the same respect to him in my response). It seems like you came in here looking to start a childish fight. Any who, who cares.
@To Lumixan
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Prove the committee that it was a mistake, that you want to move on by cooperating. And do not use a topic such as the game activity to defend yourself because banning cheaters and making cheats detectable is worth way more than having one or two more active players into the game. That last point also goes to @Zenit
THIS.
Edit: Couldn't find a link to the discussion about ban reduction and participating in the community. If you are interested, I can keep trying to dig it up - or you can. Let me know.
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Never cheated in CS:GO, the only person I know that cheated in that game was Sqz. I definitely miss playing CS, but hey, life/projects come first and well, I already achieved the highest rank in CS:GO (obviously the paid leagues have a much higher skill level than I ever achieved, but hey, I didn't want to pay a subscription!).
I'd much rather the people that read this go and cheat on CS:GO, then on here. CS:GO has a good enough detection system to keep up with you kids cheating, this game does not. Also, nothing I have said has directly linked to any cheats, or anything malicious, I didn't even name types of cheats... They'd have more luck finding cheats from the cheat detection post by jitspoe.
So i dont know if this is true i dont know if squeeze is a bad cheater, i know him a bit and i dont think he would do that but even if he cheated in CS:GO it was probably like that:
Rick: you killed me 20 times youre a cheater !!!111elf1!!! go away and cheat in CS:GO (guess thats your answer on everything)
sqz: i didnt cheat youre just a little mongrel that has no skill ! But ofc you can enjoy my CS:GO gameplay and call me a cheater again.
And if you dont like the anti cheat system of paintball why youre not doing anything or suggest some solutions instead of flaming it lalala
I'm on the Map Committee, I don't have anything to do with cheaters, people that spread malicious content or people that evade their bans - which is why I can voice my opinion about you. I will definitely stay happy, thanks :)
haha okay thats really funny if you have nothing to do with cheaters why are you WRITING IN THIS THREAD WTF
anyone can get clever out of this boi ??
I know that you do not agree with my opinion of your ban time (it is just an opinion), but seriously, learn from your mistakes. I suggested the payment method of reducing your ban time, but I also vaguely remember that people that contribute to the community (through mapping/creation of textures/tutorials/etc.) have the potential of getting their ban times reviewed/reduced... maybe that's worth a shot?
and as i mentioned I DONT WANT TO EVADE AND I DONT WANT TO PLAY THIS GAME ANYMORE DUDE THAT WAS MY FIRST POST
Im really sorry for caplocks but i think you didnt understand that before. I dont want to play this game and i know you cant do anything against it!!
My first Post was about telling other banned players to not cooperate with the committee or Jitspoe because it changes nothing. :=)
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-Sqz got his first steam account VAC banned from cheating in CS:GO.
-The anti-cheat is not opensource :(
-Anyone is allowed to discuss in public threads (wouldn’t it be private otherwise?)
Okie dokie, good luck in the other games you play.
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@Rick
Sure, i'd be interested in reading it actually (the discussion about ban reduction).
Are you on discord ? Maybe we could exchange few words there.
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To be honest, Lumixan and me have never really been friends... but 2048 days are absolutely inappropriate.
In my opinion 1024 days would still be waaaay too much (Even for the 2nd, 3rd or 4th time).
Almost 3 years, darn... that's the entire childhood :D
The fact of using a cheat twice, results in a ban of almost one decade, is completely incomprehensible.
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The fact of using a cheat twice, results in a ban of almost one decade, is completely incomprehensible.
Use cheats, get recked. Easy it is.
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You're welcome Rick, glad I could help! :)
Anyway, I wouldn't even try to cooperate either after seeing what happened in this case. There are no results at all, even after weeks.
1. First of all, 2048 days is ridiculous. Even if I would try to cooperate, I would maybe get reduce half of the ban time out of it, which still can be seen as lifetime ban, looking at the current state of the game. Why bother providing any informations if I couldn't play the game anymore anyway?
2. It seems like no one even cares if someone tries to cooperate or not. I doubt there was any progress going on in the committee discussion, other than saying "nope ban him, he cheater". (Seen at pvtjimmys response.) Short hint for jitspoe and the 2-3 active committee members: at least discuss about changing ban times in general. That's what the majority of the players left want, obviously.
3. After weeks without getting any feedback, leave alone any results, I would lose my motivation aswell. I would develop a "no fuks given anymore" attitude too. I'm sure everyone would.
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Use cheats, get recked. Easy it is.
More like use cheat get sentenced to death. You'll have an easier time on your next gaming life.
The Ban Times on this game since 2012 are like playing monopoly in hard mode, every cells leads to JAIL.
But seriously, you cant except banned players to cooperate with the actual ban times, you understand that ?
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Considering bhop as cheating when you go from paintball2 where dj is allowed to csgo where you have no idea that scripts are not allowed to getting vac ban. Yes I did get vac ban. Who cares, I came out stronger than ever, ended up being semi-pro and got multiple pro teams invitations, I'm the king
You ended up with csgo because of irl importance? What is important in your bumlife? Cmon Rick, say it how it is. Don't pretend like you have some real life, you are broke. I can play games whenever I want, and still quadruple your income. Do you wanna work for me? I can buy you hundred times over.
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Considering bhop as cheating when you go from paintball2 where dj is allowed to csgo where you have no idea that scripts are not allowed to getting vac ban.
eh
blah blah blah different games have different rules
blah blah blah did you see anyone else using a bhop script?
blah blah You would've been able to tell when searching for it blah blah.
Cool.
Yes I did get vac ban. Who cares, I came out stronger than ever, ended up being semi-pro and got multiple pro teams invitations, I'm the king
Who cares? Probably those so called "pro teams", even those "semi-pro" teams you were apparently on. You would be holding them back from playing at a lot of tournaments, I'm not sure about leagues but jeez, seems a bit selfish.
You ended up with csgo because of irl importance? What is important in your bumlife? Cmon Rick, say it how it is. Don't pretend like you have some real life, you are broke. I can play games whenever I want, and still quadruple your income. Do you wanna work for me? I can buy you hundred times over.
I stopped playing CS:GO because of some real life projects being more important to me, yes.
Well, at the time of me dropping CS:GO (and the majority of my gaming) I was offered a software developer job (before leaving University). This job would have me working alongside the emergency services that run in Australia (i.e. different departments of police, ambulance and fire brigades)... I obviously took this job, money isn't/wasn't an issue and being able to be a part of something that could potentially save lives? I'm down for that. It did, however, require a lot of my personal time to get up and running with all of the current systems that were deployed, which is what caused my decline in playing CS:GO and eventually, me to stop playing. Nowadays, I jump on a game every now and then, but I'm happier working on work/personal projects. All in all, the emergency services did all they could to try and save my Mum when she passed away and now I get to work in a team improving that very system? I love my job, my partner and my life.
No, I don't want to work for you.
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Just noticed Faked got 2048 days aswell lmao
http://dplogin.com/forums/index.php?topic=27486
Just ridiculous. But rather focus on bringing out more maps because that's what we need guys! Can't wait for zemer_b8!
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Use cheats, get recked. Easy it is.
Yeah pretty easy but not everyone got banned - thx to myself
Did you or jitspoe really thought i would reveal everyone who used wh ? Faked told me i can say his name (because he dont want to play this anymore aswell) for the 1% chance that i would get a reduce....
But mabye you can stay happy now that Jitspoe or you have nearly no knowledge how many used it. Im just Happy that i told him literally nothing, i knew i would get nothing out of cooperating since he did nothing the last time aswell :) So this time he didnt betray me, no haha this time i betrayed him and i need to say it feels good :)) I mean the best thing about it is that he cant punish me for it since i dont want to play this game anymore. LIVE WITH IT my homie ;)
You guys are thinking jitspoe is an angel because hes the admin of an online game and he never did anything wrong :D
Everyone did mistakes as well as Jitspoe !! I broke the rules but Jitspoe also broke rules since he can screenshot your screen ingame // since everyone can do that. And i dont want to know how many mistakes you did pvtjimmy and you dont need to deny that.
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How is this even a discussion. The rules are on the forums, they always have been, they are easy to find and easy to comprehend, whether you agree with the rules or not is completely irrelevant because you're under no obligation to play this game. So yes they are harsh, but you didn't spend what is essentially a good portion of your life creating and maintaining the game.
Jitspoe isn't some Angel, I don't think anybody is trying to say that, the people that defend his actions here just simply agree with his decision for the most part, most likely. In reality he's some guy who made a game, and he made the decision to have set ban times for breaking certain rules. People did that, they got banned as stated. Deal with it.
I Would rather see the servers turned off tomorrow due to inactivity, than letting it die that little bit later, polluted with hackers. It's had a bloody good run don't mar the ending.
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@Omni This thread has two separate discussions going on. One concerning Lumixan's ban and one concerning the ban time policies which i started. (i should have made a different thread, since people are missunderstanding it.)
How is this even a discussion. The rules are on the forums, they always have been, they are easy to find and easy to comprehend, whether you agree with the rules or not is completely irrelevant because you're under no obligation to play this game.
First of all, where are the rules from the game and where is it stated at that you canno't argue it ?!
Jitspoe isn't some Angel, I don't think anybody is trying to say that, the people that defend his actions here just simply agree with his decision for the most part.
I don't think anybody is trying to say that either. I agree with most of Jitspoe's descisions but yet i'm here, suggesting not only jitspoe, but the whole committee that if they want more co-operation from the banned, they need something better to offer regarding the new ban time policies.
More than half of the banned players in the past 3 years have their names in the banlist because Myself, SQZ or Zenit reported them. And Lumixan is no exception.
So @Omni if you are still wondering why this is a discussion, it's because current banned players do not co-operate and i'm pretty sure the committee won't tell you otherwise. For a person actively trying to get cheaters to be banned, that annoys me.
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More than half of the banned players in the past 3 years have their names in the banlist because Myself, SQZ or Zenit reported them. And Lumixan is no exception.
Not that it matters much, but I want to clarify: Lumixan got caught along with Snox, I never reported Lumixan or anyone else (besides that one guy from pub, Scrubdab or sth).
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You can call lumixan's case a collateral damage from our report yes.
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@JeongWa http://dplogin.com/index.php?action=createaccount
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Let me clarify then Jeongwa. I made no mention of not being able to argue your, or another's case. I shall be more specific.
You could argue about anything and everything in relation to - 'Cheater Reports and Bans'. When I said "how is this even a discussion" I was merely trying to say, discussions pertaining to cheaters and ban times and how rules could or should be altered are seemingly futile. Because as far as I am aware, Jitspoe rarely replies to any comment or any person making a comment about such topics.
I still stand by my original point. If you cheat and get caught then you get banned for the length of time Jitpoe decides.
I'm sure we both want to see this game being played with more players and fewer hackers but that does not change the reasoning for long ban times which was stated clearly and fairly some time ago.
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I agree with you. Jitspoe can decide how ever he want to manage cheaters in his game and thats what he did, he changed the ban time policies because he couldn't keep up with the numbers of cheaters and wanted to focus more on the development of the game ( which highly got developped from 2012 by the way).
Now, of all the bans we've seen recently there is 0 cooperation from the banned. And that's what i'm pointing at and why i'm trying to find a compromise that could benefit the game and the banned. I understand it being time consuming for jitspoe and i don't have have anything to say about that.
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I still stand by my original point. If you cheat and get caught then you get banned for the length of time Jitpoe decides.
I'm sure we both want to see this game being played with more players and fewer hackers but that does not change the reasoning for long ban times which was stated clearly and fairly some time ago.
Your point is not a point, moreover its a wrong conclusion. The rules were made back then, when the game got created. Jitspoe updated the game and fixed some issues, but he utterly forgot to change and update the rules. Since its a whole new situation and he should try to adapt the rules to the situation! A decent decision should always depend on the current situation. The situation is that nearly nobody is playing this game anymore in comparison to the date where the rules have been created. A lot changed not only the number of the players, also the game itself, the players behaviour, the activity and the mindset of many players. I dont see why you cant understand a single point of ours ?
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I think you fundamentally misunderstood what I was trying to say. You're arguing about the morality of the rules and of decisions taken by jits to ban individuals who have hacked. I am not arguing about that. I'm saying this and only this: If you cheat and get caught, you will get banned regardless of how you feel about the fairness of it, or the lack thereof even if the rule is draconian, and as such, a discussion on the matter is almost certainly pointless.
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I think you fundamentally misunderstood what I was trying to say. You're arguing about the morality of the rules and of decisions taken by jits to ban individuals who have hacked. I am not arguing about that.
So jitspoes rules have morality? Didnt know that. Good one Omni.
"have hacked."
and your setence start with "If you cheat"
So hacking and cheating in an online game is he same for you ? Uff, hacking is corrupt, illegal and has nothing to do with cheating in an online game. A computer scientist would laugh a lot about your total wrong conclusions. Cheating instead is really about morality, its not illegal if you cheat on your wife unless you have married her. That is morality !
So after all im assuming that you dont know yourself what you are arguing about.
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That's a fair point about hacking and cheating, I used those terms interchangeably when there is surely a difference in meaning. Now having clarified the difference to myself. I should have said cheated and not hacked. And you're right again I'm sure a computer scientist would disagree with me on that so my bad.
So jitspoes rules have morality? Didnt know that. Good one Omni.
I don't really know what you are trying to say here, we got to this point because people were arguing about how the rules are unfair, unjust, unwise etc. So is that not in itself discussing the moral implications of them? Again, I wasn't talking about that I was making the point that you got banned for a reason, the same way I did and everybody else did when they broke them.
So hacking and cheating in an online game is he same for you ?
No. And once again, its completely irrelevant to my point. A very simple point.
Uff, hacking is corrupt, illegal and has nothing to do with cheating in an online game.
Never said anything to the contrary.
So after all im assuming that you dont know yourself what you are arguing about.
Ill attempt to simplify my initial point again. If you break the rules and get banned, then that's a fair outcome. That's it.
I haven't even given my opinion on what I think of the punishments themselves. I actually agree with you that in and of itself 2048 days is extremely harsh, but its extremely harsh for a reason and do you not think that its irrelevant what you or I think about its severity or wider implications for DP.
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Ill attempt to simplify my initial point again. If you break the rules and get banned, then that's a fair outcome. That's it.
Alright breaking the rules should be punished. I would agree with this sentence if the "rules" wouldnt be 20 years old. Normally the time how long a rule exists doesnt matter at all, but if the situation changes, the rules should change also. It makes no sense otherwise !
I haven't even given my opinion on what I think of the punishments themselves. I actually agree with you that in and of itself 2048 days is extremely harsh, but its extremely harsh for a reason and do you not think that its irrelevant what you or I think about its severity or wider implications for DP.
Well there are good reasons and bad reasons, in this particular case, its a bad reason. Jitspoe refuse to change the ancient rules, so he updates the ban time...
He sets the ban time higher because hes lazy of finding a real way to handle these things. That is not a significant solution. He can simply update the ancient rules.
Its not irrelevant !! The words we use to communicate are powerful, strong and effective. Only with words we can change a lot nowadays. Jitspoe is reading this discussion for sure, hes reading every discussion of mine. And even if hes changing the rules just a bit, since he noticed that many players disagree with such ancient weird rules, we achieved something !!