Digital Paint Discussion Board
Fairness Enforcement => Cheater Reports and Bans => Topic started by: jitspoe on June 12, 2007, 07:52:17 PM
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Name: p4intu
Reason for ban: Modified player skins
IPs:
84.185.241.147 resolves to "p54B9F193.dip.t-dialin.net"
84.185.201.3 resolves to "p54B9C903.dip0.t-ipconnect.de"
84.185.203.220 resolves to "p54B9CBDC.dip.t-dialin.net"
84.185.205.27 resolves to "p54B9CD1B.dip.t-dialin.net"
84.185.206.229
84.185.209.135
84.185.210.57
84.185.211.232
84.185.214.114
84.185.214.142
84.185.218.252
84.185.219.3
84.185.220.142
84.185.220.159
84.185.224.158
84.185.229.123
84.185.230.137
84.185.230.183
84.185.231.15
84.185.232.125
84.185.232.224
84.185.233.165
84.185.235.171
84.185.239.26
84.185.243.56
84.185.246.121
84.185.247.132
84.185.251.201
84.185.252.29
84.185.252.127
84.185.252.164
84.185.253.235
84.185.254.159
84.185.254.228
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I thought he's color-blind..
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so...
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He is. He changed just the colors of the models. He has changed the models I think yellow, cuz he cant see i think blue or red models. I dont know at the moment I will ask him.
He didnt want to hack. He is just colorblind.
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He can´t see red and green.
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LMAO almost as good as the "I was cutting my grass" excuse.
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It's not an excuse you fool.
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LMAO almost as good as the "I was cutting my grass" excuse.
iEATnoobs. As the one who hacked more than 10 times i couldn't write something like that...
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You quoted the wrong one.
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The only problem a lack of a meaningful method to prove this point, and how do we know he hasn't changed something else at the same time?
The correct thing he should have done was modify his screen or both some sort of device designed for colour blind people (eg those tinted glasses). Changing the models is hacking pure and simple.
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Jitspoe. You should try to play DP without seeing red players. I have a red-gren-weakens since I was born. DP loose all the fun, if you can´t see the red players on gren ground and you aren´t allowed to change the colours. Please delete my Ban, I would have to stop playing the game with ordinary player-skins
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...but do we want to discriminate "handicaped" ppl. ?
So if this is called hacking somebody should do colorblind-freindly textues.
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Want some cheese with that whine germans? O and yes i hacked 10 times.
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P4intu, probably the best thing to do would be to get a doctor's note or something and pm a photo to jits. That way he'll know this isn't an excuse.
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WAIT WAIT WAIT...
I have poor eyesight, and am old and slow to respond.
So can I alter the game for my handicap too?
WAIT WAIT WAIT²...
People that suck have a handicap of not being able to kill the opponent.
Can we make an "I suck easy kill" mode for them?
um...yeah
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S8NSSON, those examples are completely separate and have nothing to do with this. This is more along the lines of letting dyslexics have more time in an exam, or having someone read the questions to them.
I still think the ban should be upheld, but I'd like to keep the discussion relevant :)
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S8N you would tell different, if you would get that problem.
Many people have the same problem like me and I think, jitspoe want to make DP possible to play for many people. So I hope, that he will delete my ban.
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[p4inTu], its probably not possible to delete your ban. You broke the rules, and there is no justification for that. If you perhaps went about it a different way by getting permission before then it is different. But a breaking of the rules results in a ban. Your time would be better spent finding a way of being able to play the game in 32 days, rather than contest this ban.
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thanks for kicking one out of the community. Thats why i dont like u lekky. Hopefully u will get a red-green waekenes.
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How should i find a way to play after the 32 days? There is now way, except hacking paintball
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what mz? I can understand his point, but he can't prove this to me so how can i believe him over someone who says their brother did it. He knew the rules, and modified the players anyway.
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There should be a completely different set of player models for the color blind, but something more along the lines of a "striped" jersey. Like change red to red striped with white, and leave the rest the same. That would be more then enough to be more fair to the colorblind. Also, i agree with lekky, this topic should be discussed, maybe in a different thread though
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Yeah jitsy we need a "Disabled" version of Paintball2... My player models all look pink when I'm drinkin JBB and sometimes there might be 6 people playing but I see like 24! LOL
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There should be a completely different set of player models for the color blind, but something more along the lines of a "striped" jersey. Like change red to red striped with white, and leave the rest the same. That would be more then enough to be more fair to the colorblind. Also, i agree with lekky, this topic should be discussed, maybe in a different thread though
Yeah but then those who are not color blind can get a hold of the new skins and gain an advantage over other players.
Next we'll have player models in brail for the totally blind? Or player models with walking canes for broke legged mo fos?
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Yeah a video game in brail!!!!!!! lol
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...but do we want to discriminate "handicaped" ppl. ?
..goes to PICASSO and S8N. Start being serious or don't even talk about it. okay?
About his ban: Well, i think he should've known the rules and should've contacted an admin at the right time. So his ban should stay but we gotta find a solution to his problem. Maybe that what lekky said about "Sending a picture of the doc's approvement paper to jitspoe" would solve this problem.
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aside from the point that "p4intu" has been playing for a long time now, and not just started recently, I don't think being red/green colorblind justifies a modification of the models. firstly, everyone could use that as an excuse, no way to prove that, and secondly, there are no green models! what would you mistake them with? it's not like the grass behaves like a playermodel either... ;)
And this game exists for almost 10 years now, and all of the sudden some people request a version for "disabled" people? wow, just wow...
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First of just read what i quoted.
it's not like the grass behaves like a playermodel either... ;)
Yeah try seeing a green model on a green background (note: both textures have some darker parts in them) and try playing like that. Just like glowing models give you an advantage, this gives paintu a disadvantage, and we don't wanna discriminate color blind people as long as it's not clear that it is necessary!?
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no way to prove that
Sure there is.
Go to a doc..getting a document where its shown.
Sure p4intu got that.
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...or can get it.
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...but do we want to discriminate "handicaped" ppl. ?
..goes to PICASSO and S8N. Start being serious or don't even talk about it. okay?
About his ban: Well, i think he should've known the rules and should've contacted an admin at the right time. So his ban should stay but we gotta find a solution to his problem. Maybe that what lekky said about "Sending a picture of the doc's approvement paper to jitspoe" would solve this problem.
I can't discriminate against handicapped people kid!! I AM ONE so hush your face! The point we are trying to make is that there are NO games, at least to my knowledge that make special provisions for handicapped people so why in the hell would you expect provisions in a FREE game!?!?
Furthermore, No matter how sorry anyone might feel for the guy that got banned, there are AMPLE WARNINGS about cheating and he chose to do so rather than contact jitspoe first with his problem and got his just reward.
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We have arrived a point, at which we need to know jitspoes opinion. >DP is his game and he can or has to decide about that problem.
My opinion:
Jitspoe should allow to change the Player skins, because there are some other things e.p the loc-files, with that you can get an advantage.
An other example: The double-jump-script
The players , who can write some good scripts or binds, can get an advantage and players, who cant write scripts get a disadvantage opposite other players.
So, why doesn´t jitspoe forbid scripts, menus or other helpfulll things?
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thats not what we are discussing here...thats what we discussed when loial made that post.
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[p4inTu], the difference is there is no rule against using a script, there is a rule against using modified player textures.
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Unfortunately, not all men are created equal. We all have our strengths and weaknesses. Some people have better eyesight. Some people have better reflexes. Some people have better precision. Some people are better at predicting enemy movement. While it may be true that you have a clinical disability, there are many people with varying degrees of disabilities that impact their gaming ability which may or may not be diagnosed. Do I allow varying degrees of model discoloration depending on the severity of the disability? See where I'm going here? The only way to make a game completely fair would be to throw a bunch of names in a hat and have it randomly select a winner, but what fun is that?
I have two key concerns here:
- What's best for the game and community as a whole?
- What's realistic?
I'm fairly certain the community as a whole wants a fair game. Can I get a show of hands for those of you who want other players running around with modified models and textures so they can see better than you? Ok, maybe there are a handful of, "I'm better than you even if you cheat, so bring it on." players, but I don't think that's really in the best interest of the community overall.
Now, what's realistic? Reviewing each individual player's disabilities and weaknesses and creating alternative versions of the game and/or content to compensate for those handicaps is not really realistic. Not only would it be a lot of work, but how am I to determine the relative visibility of a player model against a given texture for a color blind person vs. the stock models for players who aren't color blind? Their alternative textures might be more visible even with their color blindness than the stock textures for other players.
The most fair and realistic solution I see right now is this: everybody uses the same models and textures. If you have a disability, then you have a disability, and you're just going to have to learn how to play with it. As b00nlander said, there are no green models, so you won't be mixing teams up. They might be harder to see against grass textures, but the players don't have grass camo on, so you should be able to pick out the patterns of their jersey easily enough, and they'll probably be moving anyway. I've played lots of games where players are actually designed to blend in with the environment -- games like BF2 and COD2 come to mind. Even in classic Quake 2 deathmatch, everything was pretty much the same orange/yellow/brown color. You just have to learn to discern pattern and movement instead of colors.
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Unfortunately, not all men are created equal. We all have our strengths and weaknesses. Some people have better eyesight. Some people have better reflexes. Some people have better precision. Some people are better at predicting enemy movement. While it may be true that you have a clinical disability, there are many people with varying degrees of disabilities that impact their gaming ability which may or may not be diagnosed.
So true, tinman is color blind, and i am half blind. Still, neither one of us had to resort to changing models to play better.
For the scripts, most of them are given out publicly it seems, so basically everyone has access to it
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Sorry, my englisch skills are not so good,but...
Jitspoe, why don´t you allow to change the player skins? That would be fair for the whole community.
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That would destroy a part of this game, if each player have an other player skin >:(
Scriptes could be nice (see the flame script jitspoe made), but I think scriptes like the double jump script also destroy a part of the game.
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What part would be destroyed?
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Bix has Red-Green colorblindness, and he plays just fine.