Digital Paint Discussion Board
Fairness Enforcement => Cheater Reports and Bans => Topic started by: jigsawww on July 25, 2007, 11:39:01 PM
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What's up jitspoe? It says I have an unknown login error, and when I try to login it says my password is incorrect, and when I login to the forums it sends me an activation email, but I have yet to get it.
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http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sshot013vs3.jpg
Screen of what it says.
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It also removed me from Insane Junctions roster, I really don't understand.
Send the activation to Sk8r4lyfe231@yahoo.com , instead of aol.com
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anyone.
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jitspoe.
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Sorry for the like, quadruple post, but I can't edit my posts. I know who did it, but they're just going to deny it on here.
But, I know it's Smokey, he hacked my AIM too, and my mp3 script on mirc, and now he did it to my account.
<Smokey> LOL
<Machine> I had a feeling you did this.
<Smokey> just be lucky i didn't reformat your hard drive or anything.
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Uh, so you can't log in on the forums, or in the game? And your global login account went off on its own and left Ij and joined aB? Did you have the same password for both? Sounds like you're implying somebody stole and changed your password and is messing with your account. And you want me to reactivate your account with an email different from what you've registered? How can I be sure it's even you.
Edit: You replied while I was typing. I'll check the logs.
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I'm on mIRC right now as Machine, i'll PM you.
Yes, he hacked my mp3 script on mirc too, and tried to get me banned from globalgamers, then hacked 3 of my AIM screennames.
I never took myself off Ij's roster either, or added myself to aB's. I'll pm you on mIRC like I did last night but you never answered.
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And yes I had the same password for both.
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So he remoted into your machine? (I'm guessing your system password is the same as everything else, so once he got one, he had them all?) From the logs it looks like he did not access your account from his machine. I'd suggest changing all of your passwords now and perhaps pursue legal action. I can reset your password and send it to the email you have registered, but if he has direct access to your machine, he can probably just mess with it again.
Edit: And I'm not home right now, so I can't check IRC.
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Um, tinman, I didn't have the same password for my AIM screennames. You're an idiot.
And jitspoe, you would have to send an activation to Sk8r4lyfe231@yahoo.com because I tried getting the activation to my aol name, and it still hasn't come.
And how do I go about changing my Global Login password when I don't know the one he changed it to.
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See jitspoe what happened was, I gave smokey an Mp3 script for mIRC to edit, and he put something in it, that when I used the script he could log into my machine or whatever, and mess around with anything he wanted to, so I deleted the script, but i'm guessing he kept all my information and whatnot.
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Ya that makes alot of sense because I was wondering how skater posted a few lines from an aim conversation you and ieatnoobs were having. I wouldn't doubt it was smokey because he hacked our ts yesterday which by the way was very funny for me to watch him do futher showing he has way to much free time.
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Sorry for the like, quadruple post, but I can't edit my posts. I know who did it, but they're just going to deny it on here.
But, I know it's Smokey, he hacked my AIM too, and my mp3 script on mirc, and now he did it to my account.
<Smokey> LOL
<Machine> I had a feeling you did this.
<Smokey> just be lucky i didn't reformat your hard drive or anything.
Fake logs.
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I didn't do anything, and neither did smokey.
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i wouldn't doubt that its smokey.
He's known for hacking into things like ts and aim.
if you've ever seen smokey's myspace and look under the general section you will see what i am talking about. Well unless he changes it :p.
hm...maybe i shouldn't post this but ah...o well.
http://www.myspace.com/fucyocouchn1gg4h
as you can see.
Maybe smokey should be forum and/or global banned for this?
Thats how i feel upon this.
I'm not sure if he did do it or not, but he is known for this behavior.
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Skater, explain how you got my aim conversation if you "Didn't do anything".
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i wouldn't doubt that its smokey.
He's known for hacking into things like ts and aim.
if you've ever seen smokey's myspace and look under the general section you will see what i am talking about. Well unless he changes it :p.
hm...maybe i shouldn't post this but ah...o well.
http://www.myspace.com/fucyocouchn1gg4h
as you can see.
Maybe smokey should be forum and/or global banned for this?
Thats how i feel upon this.
I'm not sure if he did do it or not, but he is known for this behavior.
Ok, so you don't know the context of my arrest for hacking, so you can't assume what i know and don't know. As for my hacking arrest, it was for figuring out the Administrator password and using it. Capo, how can you assume I know how to hack aim and ts? Or that I can hack anything?
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Jitspoe, how do I go about getting my activation email when it sends it to my AOL email. I tried getting the activation like 4 times now, and I still haven't gotten one of them, so you can send it to Sk8r4lyfe231@yahoo.com like I said, and I don't get how you want me to redo my password for Global Login when I don't know the password it was changed to.
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Skater, explain how you got my aim conversation if you "Didn't do anything".
Someone faked it?
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You faked yourself posting an aim conversation between me and iEATnoobs? Lmfao.
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[6:27:58] <04gold|css> [11:21:pm] <08skater> Herman0203: yea but are they a dif file size?
[6:27:58] <04gold|css> [11:21:pm] <08skater> Herman0203: then the reg ones
[6:27:58] <04gold|css> [11:21:pm] <08skater> BALLiN4BLOOD: no
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[11:21:pm] <08skater> Herman0203: yea but are they a dif file size?
[11:21:pm] <08skater> Herman0203: then the reg ones
[11:21:pm] <08skater> BALLiN4BLOOD: no
Those were from my logs yesterday. Very shortly after that Smokey came on our ts and hacked that. Then the problem with Jigsaw ensued.
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Lol, smokey was talking to me about hacks and how he figured out to change our models under Jigs screen name and i was like cool and all but it probably woulnt work. i got the logs from #team_ij when skater posted part of that information. I know it wasnt jigsaw talking on aim later because he stoped talking as soon as i asked for smokey's aim. Smokey also sent me a link to download these models but i didnt even bother to try and im glad i didnt because im sure it was some sort of virus.
Here is the log from #team_ij and im sure more people have it too.
[12:21:am] <08skater> Herman0203: yea but are they a dif file size?
[12:21:am] <08skater> Herman0203: then the reg ones
[12:21:am] <08skater> BALLiN4BLOOD: no
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iEATnoobs, prove it was me, please. Because it wasn't.
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[11:27:pm] <14Smokey> your teamspeak
[11:27:pm] <14Smokey> sucks
[11:27:pm] <14Smokey> can't even
[11:27:pm] <14Smokey> meddling
[11:27:pm] <14Smokey> spam it
[11:27:pm] <04Br55HiT> cool
[11:27:pm] <12gold> word
[11:27:pm] <04Br55HiT> ty
[11:27:pm] <08skater> LOL
[11:27:pm] <04iEATnoobs> smokey be quiet
[11:27:pm] <08skater> smokey owning
[11:27:pm] <14Smokey> i can
[11:27:pm] <14Smokey> but'
[11:27:pm] <14Smokey> its like
[11:27:pm] <12gold> makes me laugh
[11:27:pm] <14Smokey> dropping
[11:27:pm] <04Br55HiT> gold
[11:27:pm] <14Smokey> hlaf my sockets
[11:27:pm] <04iEATnoobs> !deluser smokey
[11:27:pm] <04Br55HiT> whos on ts
[11:27:pm] <04iEATnoobs> !r
[11:27:pm] <12gold> smokey
[11:27:pm] * ChanServ sets mode: -h+v Smokey Smokey
[11:27:pm] <04Phenom> haha
[11:27:pm] <08Smokey> me
[11:27:pm] * [aB]Jolly is now known as Jolly|bbl
[11:27:pm] <08Smokey> its me
[11:27:pm] <12gold> it's funny
[11:27:pm] <08Smokey> dumb
[11:27:pm] <08Smokey> bundles of twigs
[11:27:pm] <04Br55HiT> lmao
[11:27:pm] <04Phenom> hah
[11:27:pm] <08skater> VBAHAHAHAHAHA
[11:27:pm] <04Phenom> so funny
[11:27:pm] <04Br55HiT> pissssed
[11:27:pm] <04Br55HiT> offff
[11:27:pm] <04Phenom> steamed
[11:27:pm] <08Smokey> good
[11:27:pm] <04Br55HiT> ouch
[11:27:pm] <04Phenom> doesnt bother me
[11:27:pm] <08Smokey> going to keep
[11:27:pm] <08Smokey> spamming it
This is the conversation that was under way on irc while smokey was in the middle of hacking our ts.
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GLOBAL BAN HIM BECAUSE HE SPAMMED YOUR TEAMSPEAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nice logic. It's funny, iEATnoobs, you actually asked if you could use the models.
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Spamming a teamspeak with clients is not hacking it. Good try though.
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I must have overlooked this IP before (you have way too many ip's jig...): 147.253.174.5
Looks like it was y2j/unf.
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who is y2j
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skater took advantage of my pcanywhere setup.. i was drunk, didn't care. oooohhh well.
i still believe ieatnoobs is the best player though, don't worry.
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My ip changes when I turn my modem off. :-\
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Check your mail. I reset your passwords. I've also given Y2J a global and forum ban. I'm not going to let this kind of behavior slide.
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Thank you jits.
I still can't login on the forums though, that password was changed as well and it won't send it to my aol email. So if you could reset that and send it to my yahoo one, that would be great.
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Sorry, forgot to activate it. You should be able to log in and change your email and password now.
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Got it, thanks for everything jits.
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I've also given Y2J a global and forum ban. I'm not going to let this kind of behavior slide.
I hear Angels (http://www.esnips.com/doc/ce3eda35-1d02-4a6d-8702-c196b7308ef5/hallelujah)
What about skater/smokey for their part in this fiasco?
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What is my part? I'm already global banned, anyways.
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Yea I really wanted to use the models. If I wanted to i would have downloaded smokeys virus, but good try on that.
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I've also given Y2J a global and forum ban. I'm not going to let this kind of behavior slide.
I hear Angels http://www.esnips.com/doc/ce3eda35-1d02-4a6d-8702-c196b7308ef5/hallelujah]
What about skater/smokey for their part in this fiasco?
Please prove my part. Your ignorance is annoying, and thats the truth.
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I guess you shouldnt be hacking other peoples information, cant legal actions be taken? : /
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Yeah, sue him for changing a DPlogin password. BAHAHA
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Well who hacked Owens aim? And why does Smokey have all of his passwords and #!ij! logs?
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Well who hacked Owens aim? And why does Smokey have all of his passwords and #!ij! logs?
Who says I have his passwords or #!ij! logs?
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Come on smokey, making me waste my time looking at my logs.
[12:36:am] <04Phenom> we dont have a vent
[12:37:am] <04JiGSaW> We don't even use vent either.
[12:37:am] <08Smokey> I can find it out
[12:37:am] <08Smokey> i do
[12:37:am] <04JiGSaW> We text.
[12:37:am] <04Br55HiT> lol
[12:37:am] <08Smokey> have #!ij! logs
[12:37:am] <04JiGSaW> recon
[12:37:am] <08skater> Anyone having aim problems?
[12:37:am] <08Smokey> for like
[12:37:am] <08Smokey> a week straight
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someone pasted them to smokey
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who would do that?
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It weren't Smokey, Smokey iz teh innocent!
Your password is everywhere on AIMz man, you should really think of some newer and stronger ones.
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Logging into someones aim name isnt hacking their aim.
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If IJ can't prove that it was us, then they just need to shutup. End of story.
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I see jitspoe has appointed himself as the lone internet security force for the community.
Clearly, hijacking accounts is not an acceptable behavior by any means, but I also think it's unacceptable (in obviously different regards) for jitspoe to continue to alter, change, and create rule enforcement at his will.
In this particular situation -- the _user_ (at least in my opinion) should be the one ultimately responsible for keeping their online passwords and identity secure, be it a DP, messenger, or even online bank account.
I think at the very least you should formalize the fact that you are using the global ban feature at your own disposal, without any set guidelines – AND (more importantly) that it is a tool for punishing ANY potential offense, and not just cheating within the game (which was at least my original understanding, perhaps I am misinformed as I have not researched the issue).
Especially with the new ideas you have introduced such as allowing people to “pay off” ban times with actual REAL money; it certainly seems like it would increase the potential for less opaque situations (framing/etc.).
It just feels to me to start to border the line of too much control, perhaps we should at least look into having some kind of board or something where decisions such as these are not made by any one person, but rather a group.
After all, is it not in your own personal interest to ban more liberally now that you have instituted a payment method to reduce ban time?
Also, this raises some more “gray” issues as to what is a punishable offense. IRC impersonation, channel takeovers, personal threats, etc. Do not all these things also directly affect members of the community?
Just to restate my view, I am not arguing that the global ban should be removed in this particular instance. I am simply stating that I think the community would be best served to have a more formal interpretation of the “community laws,” if the global ban system is going to be used for reasons other than cheating.
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By creating or using an account, you agree to the following rules
(To make sure you read them, I've done the dastardly deed of requiring you to put a check box next to each heading)
Do Not Cheat
Cheating includes, but is not limited to:
- Modifying textures or other content to make players more identifiable
- Using external programs, hacked drivers, modified game executables, etc. to make players more visible or be seen where it should not be possible to see them (in other words, wallhacks).
- Using programs or modifications that adjust your movement and aim, such as speedhacks and aimbots.
Cheating is not tolerated and will result in a global ban from all publicly listed Paintball 2 servers.
Don't Steal Names or Clan Tags
We realize there are lots of commonly used names, but older, established members of the community take precedence. In other words, if you've just recently started playing the game and register a name that another player who has been around for 5 years is known by, the name will probably be removed from your account. If it looks to be intentional name theft, further action may be taken, such as account suspension or banishment. If you're having trouble coming up with a unique name that doesn't conflict with existing players, you might want to check out GameSpy's Naminator.
Only One Account Per Person
1. One. Uno. Un. Once you've registered an account, you can add multiple player names to it, so there should be no need for additional accounts. Creating new accounts to avoid server bans or other similar activities will result in a global ban.
Do Not Share Your Account
If your friend or brother gets banned while using your account, don't come crying to the admins to get it lifted. We won't do it. Protect your account information so other people can't use it.
Subject to Change
The terms of the agreement may change in the future, and you will be bound by the new terms. Also, your account may be suspended due to any behavior deemed inappropriate by an admin, even if it isn't listed here.
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Creating a board or council for these forums would be utterly useless. For one, it would just be Jitspoe choosing the people, and I'm fairly sure they would all agree with his decision just to s his d a little more in hopes of becoming a moderator on these amazing forums. I think Y2J was punished a little severely, all jigsaw had to do was change his passwords, but instead he chose to cry on the forums in hope of someone get in trouble so he could spam his teams private channel with "HELLZ YA GOT HIM IN TROUBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!".
As for paying off a ban, I think it the worst idea to ever grace these forums. Who would EVER pay to have their ban lifted? Especially 1 dollar a day. Looks like Jitspoe is just trying to make some quick cash for his free game.
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Looks like Jitspoe is just trying to make some quick cash for his free game.
He deserves it?
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No, this game has been free for 8+ years? Charging money to play this would drive away the entire community, guaranteed. Go for it though, Jitspoe.
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no one is forcing you or anyone else to pay to play this game. the thing to pay of your ban is just an idea and you dont have to pay if you dont want to. even though jitspoe does deserve something for the time he put into making this game and keeping it going. BTW skater i am steamed.
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No, this game has been free for 8+ years? Charging money to play this would drive away the entire community, guaranteed. Go for it though, Jitspoe.
I agree, but he still deserves it.
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Cola, where did I say anyone is forcing me to play? I'll play if it's free, if it's not I'll quit. G'day.
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SkateR, actually. I really didn't care about this situation, I didn't cry about it. I just wanted to find out who did it, I didn't care if they got banned or whatever, I just wanted my stuff back.
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Hi so unban y2j.
I used a control script in jigs mirc to get his authserv pass, which he is an effing retard and uses the same password for everything so i gave his password out and encouraged everyone to be naughty.
Ban me baby.
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naughty boys deserve naughty things
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naughty boys deserve naughty things
thats what she said.
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I guess ij didnt have to show any proof now did we.
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Why is it unacceptable to to change the rule enforcement as situations demand it? Do you really think I should just let things like this slide with no consequence? Yes, users need to be responsible for their passwords, but if one does slip out, that doesn't give other people the right to go and use it. If you were to use somebody's credit card or bank information, I'm fairly certain there are some pretty significant legal ramifications. Read the last sentence of the agreement Bain posted. I could expand on that, perhaps, but there are things that do far more damage than cheating, and I will ban for them.
Just to put things in perspective, I would have to ban hundreds of players just to break even with the amount of cash I've invested in this game -- money from my own pocket. That doesn't even begin to cover time. And that's assuming they'd all pay to get their bans lifted immediately, which they wouldn't. In fact, nobody has paid to get a ban lifted. The concept for this was introduced by Warhead (since he had an exceptionally long ban due to repeat offenses and evasions) and put forth to the community to debate. Most people thought it was a good idea, but I have yet to have any banned players go through with it. To suggest that I would use an underhanded tactic like banning players for trivial things in order to make some quick cash is, frankly, an insult. I think you know this.
Contrary to popular belief, this is not a free game. No software is free. It's just a question of who pays for it. I've had to pay for a huge portion of it, both from my wallet and with my time, so that you don't have to. Yet somehow I've become too powerful? I shouldn't be allowed to control who can and can't use the resources I've created and paid for? I'm not opposed to the idea of a board, but what would be the criteria for its members? It might be nice to have a group of people to help determine who else was involved in this and what appropriate punishments should be.
In reality, I don't have enough time to mess around with all this. I've wasted far too much time on this issue already. I'm banning Smokey as well, since he just admitted to being responsible for obtaining and distributing Jigsaw's password.
As for Y2J, he still stays banned. Even if he didn't do anything to Jigsaw's account, it wasn't his, and he shouldn't have been nosing around in it (which he admitted to doing). Even with a closer inspection of the logs, I can't come to any different conclusions:
2007-07-24 22:39:47 - Web login from Jigsaw's ip
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Several game logins from jigsaw, no web logins.
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2007-07-25 21:39:49 - Game login from Jigsaw's ip
2007-07-26 00:21:04 - Web login from 147.253.174.5 (Y2J's IP)
2007-07-26 00:39:01 - Jigsaw posts that he can't log in
2007-07-26 12:48:23 - Jigsaw's account gets accepted into aB.
2007-07-26 19:12:42 - I reset Jigsaw's password.
2007-07-26 19:23:37 - Web login from Jigsaw's ip
2007-07-26 20:24:58 - Web login form Jigsaw's ip
Not only was Y2J's ip the only one not matching Jigsaw's hostmask, but the last web login was on the 24th. Also, Y2J's IP was the last to log into Jigsaw's forum account before it became inaccessible.
I don't know why I bother explaining myself. I really shouldn't have to. If you have a problem with my "totalitarian control", feel free to find another game to play.
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Hm, why dont you post that with your actual account, skater?
Also, I have yet failed to see jitspoe push Y2J into paying him.
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If you have a problem with my "totalitarian control", feel free to find another game to play.
It's because, ever since jitspoe decided to step up (which, by the way, I commend); and be the sole contributor to the continued development of this game (why?), he has established that this is now HIS game under his complete control, he will do whatever he feels necessary, and everyone now has the LUXUARY he gives us of letting us play it.
Thanks for this opportunity, jitspoe.
Regarding underhanded use of banlists for profit: I did not suggest that you are doing this, merely acknowledged the possibility and problem that rests therein.
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Blitz, i am surprised you went with the more honorable way of handling this. It's nice to see.
If you have a problem with my "totalitarian control", feel free to find another game to play.
and that is the way it should be. it is, in fact, a free game with one person who actively improves it (not including y00tz and zorch and the like) I also feel jitspoe should start giving atleast 16 day global bans for people who continue to disrupt the games fun environment
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So someone else admits to it, and Y2J is still banned. Jitspoe, you provide no proof Y2J changed anything, you just come to a conclusion, and who knows if anyone else really logged in other then Y2J, you wouldn't show it at this point, because it's already embarrassing enough for you that he didn't hack him like you thought. It also seems ridiculous that you tell him he deserves no explanation? I think anyone who is proven to be innocent of what you believe to be the case, at the most you have an assumption of what happened, no hard facts, deserves some type of explication why they are being banned.
This is the real issue DFDP should be evaluating. Jitspoe is the sole person in charge of these bans, he can ban whoever he wants, and make up anything he wants in reality. If someone who's close to him is caught hacking, he's not going to post it on here, but if someone proves him wrong, or irks him, look what happens. And the only way for Y2J to get off is to pay money now? When not one thing has been proven against him, and if anything, how is what he did equally as bad as wallhacking? There should be a system of checks and balances in place amongst the ban list, for specific occasions like this, where there is a clear challenge, and no real proof against the person.
And on top of that check out the server section and you'll see yet another complain against the GT Admins...
Power hungry individuals that run the banlist and run the servers are what are ruining this game the most. Jitspoe won't even explain himself to Y2J, despite someone coming forth about the hacking, and having no proof that anything was changed. It wasn't his account, so what, his password was out for 2 days, and jigsaw had ample time to change it. At that point you reach the point of stupidity in any case, and no attempt to mitigate his damages means he suffers the consequences. He knew for a day, if not 2, before hand that his pw was leaked to the public, and did nothing. Anything that happens as a result is his problem.
And jitspoe, it's not an insult for anyone to suggest you're attempting to make quick cash off a ban when you won't explain yourself, especially when the consequence doesn't fit the crime.
He told Y2J if he wanted to be unbanned to cough up the cash, when asked about the ban after Smokey admitted he hacked him. (Since jitspoe refused to give Y2J a good reason, proof, and any type of explination. All jitspoe can mange to say to Y2J is <jitspoe> but consider yourself lucky I didn't do a perm ban which I was tempted to do / AND <jitspoe> I don't owe you an explination. What a real class act?)
And I'm not skater.
I've given my explanation. You just refuse to accept what you did was wrong. I never accused you of "hacking" him. How you got the password is irrelevant. You were the only one to log into his account during the time in question. Therefore, anything that happened to the account during that period was your doing. Plain and simple. That's about as hard as facts can get.
For somebody all on his high horse about getting facts straight, you really need to work on yours. Not once did I ever even suggest that you "cough up" cash. Frankly, I wouldn't have accepted it in this case (not that I worried you would offer). What you did was worse than some new player running around with a wallhack on a pub server and still failing to achieve a positive k/d ratio in my book, and really deserved a more severe punishment (or consequence to fit the crime). I opted to be more lenient, though, and go with the standard ban time since this kind of thing hadn't really been dealt with before (and hopefully won't have to be dealt with again after this example). Also, if you're going to quote me, quote what I actually said, not just your interpretation of it. And nice 3rd person, Y2Zonday.
Just so we're all clear, I've updated the rules to account for this specific type of case: http://dplogin.com/index.php?action=createaccount . Logging into another user's account is not allowed. Don't do it.
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And nice 3rd person, Y2Zonday.
XD
I thought it was skater since he changed his name to that on IRC.
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What you did was worse than some new player running around with a wallhack...
I completely disagree with this, but I can see how wallhacking would be less of an issue when you don't actually play the game.
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I completely disagree with this, but I can see how wallhacking would be less of an issue when you don't actually play the game.
Oh, come off it. I was playing last night. I've got almost a hundred hours logged on xfire, which, sure, isn't nearly as much as some of the kids who don't have to go to work or have lots of other responsibilities and can play all the time, but it's a lot more than most games I play. Plus if I played all the time, I wouldn't get any development done.
I'm by no means condoning wallhacking, but merely pointing out the fact that probably half of the cheaters caught are just below average pub players who are still sub-average with cheats and were it not for the cheat detection, most players probably wouldn't even notice them. Little to no harm is done in these cases, whereas Y2J's activities actually interfered with somebody's ability to use his account, not to mention wasted a bunch of my time, and who knows what kind of private information he may have read while he was poking around (since he logged into the forum account as well).
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So.. the better you are at the game, the worse it is for the community when you cheat...?
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Drop it :)
When are the world series of paintball starting? :)
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So.. the better you are at the game, the worse it is for the community when you cheat...?
:) Take my following example.
One player has been playing the game for 5 years, has been part of the recognisable community for a lengthy period of time, has been a member of a respected clan for 4 years and leader for 3. Now, there is another player, started playing the game 2 weeks ago has only ever graced public servers and has yet to make his mind up on whether he likes the game.
Now then, both of these players go and download some hack and use it whilst playing this game. The player that has been playing the game for 5 years has a much greater impact upon the community than the player who has played for only 2 weeks. This is a no-brainer.
However, your comment doesn't seem to have been thought through very well, and it also seems you haven't really read or perhaps understood Jitspoe's post. Try reading it through one more time then compose a reply showing that yes, you have read the thread you are replying to :)
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The player that has been playing the game for 5 years has a much greater impact upon the community than the player who has played for only 2 weeks.
Clearly this player has a much bigger impact on the community as a whole, whether or not they cheat. That _IS_ a no-brainer indeed. However, to quantify rule enforcement subjectively based on the violator is a ridiculous way to enforce rules.
Rules and laws are suppose to be set, clearly defined, and UNIFORMLY enforced.
If I go out and murder a homeless person who has no living family, this clearly effects less people than if I murder Al Gore. Does this mean I'll just spend a few nights in jail for the former? Wait a second, bad example.
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If I go out and murder a homeless person who has no living family, this clearly effects less people than if I murder Al Gore. Does this mean I'll just spend a few nights in jail for the former? Wait a second, bad example.
This is a good example. Al Gore is widely known, he's in the spotlight a lot. Secret service men will be guarding him for the next 4 years, as spelled out in the constitution. There will be more witness and more investigating done in this theoretical crime because of his position and popularity. A homeless person, much like a newbie, doesn't have a spotlight on them, probably won't be missed and as a result you probably won't be a blip on anyone's radar. In the event you are caught, powerful senators and friends of the homeless man aren't going to come to his defense and seek justice on his behalf.
John Hinckley attempted to assassinate President Reagen. He has spent the rest of his life in a psych ward under heavy surveillance with only 3 unsupervised releases. (Privileges for the releases have since been revoked.)
A friend of my brother-in-laws was shot and KILLED in Chicago as part of a carjacking gone wrong. The suspect plead the same as Hinckley, not guilty by reason of insanity. He was ALSO found not guilty. The unfortunate part is that unlike Hinckley, this guy who killed an unknown person is walking on the streets after only 7 years in a psych ward.
Even though DP isn't anything like real-life, your argument is still debunked.
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sorry about your friend y00tz =/ and good reasoning...
...but did you just compare homeless people to noobs ? lmfao
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A friend of my brother-in-laws was shot and KILLED in Chicago as part of a carjacking gone wrong. The suspect plead the same as Hinckley, not guilty by reason of insanity. He was ALSO found not guilty. The unfortunate part is that unlike Hinckley, this guy who killed an unknown person is walking on the streets after only 7 years in a psych ward.
But don't you think that is unfair and corrupt, and that people theoretically SHOULD be punished the same for doing the same thing?
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A friend of my brother-in-laws was shot and KILLED in Chicago as part of a carjacking gone wrong. The suspect plead the same as Hinckley, not guilty by reason of insanity. He was ALSO found not guilty. The unfortunate part is that unlike Hinckley, this guy who killed an unknown person is walking on the streets after only 7 years in a psych ward.
But don't you think that is unfair and corrupt, and that people theoretically SHOULD be punished the same for doing the same thing?
yes. if you hack you hack. no matter how long you have been in the community its still the same thing.
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Agreed 10000%
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To be honest i dont see why jits gives cheaters a 2nd chance. If you suck so much you have to d/l skill you should never play again.
As for what happened here the info was leaked out and this is the stuff that deserves bans. Then again you should make the rules more clear, when your saying its your responsibility to keep your pw secret then you ban the people who got the pw instead of the person who leaked it out is kinda dumb. If you wanna make it so the people get banned who use the pw then change the rules. Its hard not to mess with the account if the person is so much of a stupid donkey that he gave it to someone else. So in my opinion they should be banned too.
BUT ALL THIS IS JUST MY OPINION. :-\
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I wound't give 2nd chances either....
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A friend of my brother-in-laws was shot and KILLED in Chicago as part of a carjacking gone wrong. The suspect plead the same as Hinckley, not guilty by reason of insanity. He was ALSO found not guilty. The unfortunate part is that unlike Hinckley, this guy who killed an unknown person is walking on the streets after only 7 years in a psych ward.
But don't you think that is unfair and corrupt, and that people theoretically SHOULD be punished the same for doing the same thing?
Thats why Jitspoe gives a 32 day ban to anyone caught hacking for the first time, no matter how long they have played. Seems you're getting a little confused.
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Clearly this player has a much bigger impact on the community as a whole, whether or not they cheat. That _IS_ a no-brainer indeed. However, to quantify rule enforcement subjectively based on the violator is a ridiculous way to enforce rules.
Rules and laws are suppose to be set, clearly defined, and UNIFORMLY enforced.
If I go out and murder a homeless person who has no living family, this clearly effects less people than if I murder Al Gore. Does this mean I'll just spend a few nights in jail for the former? Wait a second, bad example.
You're completely missing the point. I've never changed the rule enforcement based on the violator. First offense cheaters get a 32 day ban regardless of who they are.
To be honest i dont see why jits gives cheaters a 2nd chance. If you suck so much you have to d/l skill you should never play again.
As for what happened here the info was leaked out and this is the stuff that deserves bans. Then again you should make the rules more clear, when your saying its your responsibility to keep your pw secret then you ban the people who got the pw instead of the person who leaked it out is kinda dumb. If you wanna make it so the people get banned who use the pw then change the rules. Its hard not to mess with the account if the person is so much of a stupid donkey that he gave it to someone else. So in my opinion they should be banned too.
BUT ALL THIS IS JUST MY OPINION. :-\
There are several reasons for second chances. Think of all the lawn mower/shower/brother incidents there have been, which may or may not be true. Certainly it wouldn't be fair to perm ban somebody for something he didn't do. It also wouldn't be fair to give certain people a break when their story is fabricated, so everybody gets a second chance. Some people have turned around and become positive members of the community. Also, keeping people with dynamic IP's banned is difficult, especially if they have nothing to lose by evading bans. Banning IP ranges can inhibit the ability for non-cheaters to play as well.
As for this situation, I have changed/clarified the rules, as I mentioned earlier. I also banned both the person who "leaked" the password and the person who used it. From my understanding, Jigsaw didn't give out his password. Smokey made an mIRC script to steal it.
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As for this situation, I have changed/clarified the rules, as I mentioned earlier. I also banned both the person who "leaked" the password and the person who used it. From my understanding, Jigsaw didn't give out his password. Smokey made an mIRC script to steal.
Yes, I just asked Smokey if he would edit my mp3 player because at the time I didn't know how to script very well on mirc. But, you're right.
And thank you jitspoe for the account thing last night.
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Some people have turned around and become positive members of the community.
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Looks in mirror, and at Jigsaw =D
And not to flame but why are you guys still arguing over this? Old news, what's done is done, nobody needs to explain themselves
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I agree totally with Jitspoe here I think Blitz just isn't understanding properly what we're trying to say and lets do as Flame says and leave this alone before it gets locked.
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Then again you should make the rules more clear, when your saying its your responsibility to keep your pw secret then you ban the people who got the pw instead of the person who leaked it out is kinda dumb. If you wanna make it so the people get banned who use the pw then change the rules. Its hard not to mess with the account if the person is so much of a stupid donkey that he gave it to someone else. So in my opinion they should be banned too.
BUT ALL THIS IS JUST MY OPINION. :-\
Ignorance and maybe even stupidity are forgivable but cheer vindictiveness, blatant attacks on one's person, tampering with the intent for wrongful doing, or whatever you want to call this deserves a much stronger punishment.
EXAMPLE: The young lady knew it was not safe to go for walk alone on the streets of Harlem but decide because it was daylight that she should be ok. (Plain ignorant and stupid by all means) The same girl winds up raped and beat within an inch of her life...
Should she go to jail for being stupid?? Of course not! Her punishment for her ignorance has already been applied.
The person who took advantage of the young girl's ignorance for his own sick self gain and pleasure is the one who should do time and be severely punished.
Y2J took advantage of Jigsaw's ignorance for his own pleasure and deserves more than what jitspoe has given him for punishment... He oughta have more time for repeatedly coming on this forum under different names rattling his gums as if no one here is smart enough to see it's him.
I'm sure Skater is poking his nose in using the same idiotic tactic.
Irregardless of all that, Y2J's intentions by his actions deserve the punishment and rest assured that jitspoe wouldn't just single Y2J out for no reason and punish him for nothing so be quiet, suck it up and take your just punishment.
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lmao why do you even post anymore you dont play and your just an annoying prick. Also i like how you go with a rape and beat story in harlem you sick racist freak. Should go get a life and stop posting.
K thanks.
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You're completely missing the point. I've never changed the rule enforcement based on the violator. First offense cheaters get a 32 day ban regardless of who they are.
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I know you didn't change the rule, I was just commenting on the subjectivity of your comment concerning wallhacker's effect upon the community (and how it differs from case to case), and how this kind of thinking _can_ lead to subjectively biased rulings. The main point of this thread has taken a tangent that I didn't mean to persue, sorry about that.
Just to reiterate the only point I was trying to make:
All wallhackers caught should be punished equally and severely, be it their fifth day playing DP or their fifth year -- and that wallhacking/cheating is and will continue to be (IMO) the biggest threat to this community.
Again, I don't think you've done anything wrong, or made any unfair rulings.
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Blitz i totally agree with what you're saying....
However, you have to admit that if someone found y00tz using a ZGH hack, it would be way more of a big deal than some kid who registered his first name 5 minutes ago wallhacking...
While the punishments would be the same, everyone knows they would have different effects on the community, regardless of whether or not its biased. I think you have a good point but lets be realistic, nothing can ever truly be "fair"
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Just to reiterate the only point I was trying to make:
All wallhackers caught should be punished equally and severely, be it their fifth day playing DP or their fifth year -- and that wallhacking/cheating is and will continue to be (IMO) the biggest threat to this community.
I agree. The concept of wallhacking is the biggest threat to this community. What are the majority of the new threads created on this board concerned with? Jitspoes point is as valid as yours.